Titoli di Stato paesi-emergenti VENEZUELA e Petroleos de Venezuela - Cap. 1 (8 lettori)

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tommy271

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Comunque a voler cercare qualcosa di positivo nel downgrade di Moody's ...

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Foreign currency outflows in Venezuela are likely to decrease only marginally in the event of policy measures to further curb import demand and capital account outflows. Although Moody's believes the sovereign is highly likely to honor the upcoming €1 billion Eurobond maturing in March 2015, given the large mismatch between inflows and outflows, the probability of a debt default occurring in the next 1-2 years has risen from an already high level.

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Fred_EL

Nuovo forumer
Da quel che leggo, non ha portato a casa 1 $ di liquidità.

Solo progetti, alcuni francamente ridicoli.

ma si trovano dettagli maggiori su questo?:

El presidente venezolano dijo la semana pasada, durante la visita a Beijing, que su gobierno concretó con las autoridades chinas acuerdos por más de 20 mil millones de dólares, de los cuales 7 mil millones de dólares se destinarán a uno de los fondos que mantienen los dos países; 5 mil millones de dólares para la estatal Petróleos de Venezuela S.A., y un financiamiento de más de 5 mil millones de dólares para "fortalecimiento" de las reservas internacionales.

da qui:
Pacta Venezuela alianza con Qatar para superar crisis financiera
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
ma si trovano dettagli maggiori su questo?:

El presidente venezolano dijo la semana pasada, durante la visita a Beijing, que su gobierno concretó con las autoridades chinas acuerdos por más de 20 mil millones de dólares, de los cuales 7 mil millones de dólares se destinarán a uno de los fondos que mantienen los dos países; 5 mil millones de dólares para la estatal Petróleos de Venezuela S.A., y un financiamiento de más de 5 mil millones de dólares para "fortalecimiento" de las reservas internacionales.

da qui:
Pacta Venezuela alianza con Qatar para superar crisis financiera


El presidente venezolano dijo ... la risposta è tutta lì.
 

Obi W. Kenobi

Forumer attivo
La OPEP ya no puede ?proteger? los precios del petróleo | El Interes

No podemos seguir protegiendo un determinado (nivel de precios)”, declaró el ministro, refiriéndose a la OPEP, de la que los Emiratos forma parte.

Mazroui señaló además que la producción de petróleo de esquisto, que empuja los precios del crudo a la baja, debería ser controlada.

“Hemos vivido una sobreproducción (de crudo), procedente sobre todo del petróleo de esquisto, y esto debe ser corregido”, agregó durante un foro sobre industria petrolera en Abu Dabi.

Los precios del crudo parecían encaminarse este martes a un récord mínimo en los últimos seis años, tras haber perdido 50% desde junio debido, entre otros factores, a una ralentización de la demanda, una sobreoferta y la fortaleza del dólar.

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un paio di discorsi da fonti "diverse", con pareri disparati da professori disparati... i numeri non sono affidabili ma è cmq interessante.

Venezuela Joins Argentina & Russia, Bends Over For China | Wolf Street

And in the case of Venezuela, it’s not even that appealing to China. The US $20 billion Maduro has negotiated with China may be part of a pre-existing arrangement rather than a new agreement. Furthermore, sources report that conditions are exceptionally harsh and would require Venezuela to increase daily shipments to China from over 500,000 barrels per day to over 600,000. More than half of current exports already go towards paying back loans.

Yet even though the likelihood of repayment of Chinas’ loans gets less and less certain as oil slips further, China faces every incentive to make any deal so long as it prevents a Venezuelan default. When China comes into countries like Venezuela, Argentina, or Russia during a crisis situation, it can paint itself as superhero falcon, savior of the day. But the reality is that swooping into resource-rich countries where no one else dares tread and shoving harsh terms down desperate leaders’ throats is at least as predatory as what Argentina’s famed vultures did, or possibly more so.

And while China can trumpet its lending programs as helping desperate countries in need, a default would put the shoe on the other foot.

If Venezuela defaulted on its debt rather than accessing new loans, it could take steps to restructure its existing debt rather than deliver the oil under the original loan terms. This could involve stopping loan payments and selling the oil at higher market prices to pay back the debt. By undertaking currency swaps and commodity-backed loans, China protects itself to some extent from default behavior from Venezuela, Argentina, and even Russia, but the old “risk vs. reward” adage bears heavily on these practices.

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a proposito... ci sono discorsi che la cina abbia fatto un accordo con la russia un po' particolare. anche qui si tratta di forniture, in cambio di... un tasso fisso fra rubli e yuan. questi rumors sono emersi quando il rublo ha rallentato la sua svalutazione, in questo modo stante la veridicità dei fatti la russia può sfruttare lo yuan per bypassare il cambio. cmq il rublo ha ripreso la sua forte discesa...

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Why China Just Made A $20B Investment In Venezuela

Margaret Myers, director of the China and Latin America program at the Inter-American Dialogue, said she was surprised by the move, noting that some of China’s oil companies and major banks have been increasingly cautious about undertaking risks in recent months. “There are a lot of voices in China that are opposed to continued engagement with Venezuela,” including from within the government, she said. “They’re very worried about what is happening with political risk in Venezuela, what Maduro’s plans are, and social stability.”

The decision to invest in Venezuela “doesn’t jibe,” she added.

Miguel Tinker-Salas, a professor of Latin America Studies at Pomona College, noted that Maduro’s announcement came just as China declared a commitment to invest $250 billion in Latin America ahead of its meeting with the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States, which is currently underway. The investment deal, he said, was simply part of China’s wider strategy to gain a stronger foothold in the region.

“It’s part of a broader relationship in the context of a multipolar world where Latin America can seek better terms of trade, as opposed to dealing with one traditional ally, the U.S.,” he said.

Tinker-Salas also dismissed the default fears circulating around Venezuela. “One thing Maduro and [former Venezuelan President Hugo] Chavez have both done is consistently paid off their international debt,” he said. “There are economic difficulties and challenges, but when Chavez came to power in 1999, oil was $7 a barrel. The larger issue is whether Venezuela can limit its dependence on oil.” The extent to which the new investments could assist with that goal is still unknown, he added.

Observers have usually viewed China’s increasing investments in Latin America as a way for Beijing to access more resource markets and build up geopolitical influence in the region. But Patrick Chovanec, a China analyst and chief strategist at Silvercrest Asset Management, said the calculation was different with Venezuela. “The reality is that China bought into Venezuela at a very high price, and now that price has dropped significantly,” he said.

Chovanec said he suspected the deal could represent a debt restructuring agreement in disguise, given the Chinese Development Bank’s “massive exposure” in making previous loans to Caracas. “It would be painful for the Chinese Development Bank to say, ‘You’re right, we lost a lot of money.’ It’s much easier, if you have an opaque banking system, to extend and pretend and say, ‘Everything’s fine.’ And since nobody can actually calculate the present value of the loans, who’s to say you got a bad deal?”

“Even if China thought it was getting some geopolitical benefit – and I think it’s sort of hazy what sort of benefit it would get – $20 billion is a pretty steep price to pay for a country that everyone thinks is going to default,” he added.

sempre sull'argomento, dal guardian: China agrees to invest $20bn in Venezuela to help offset effects of oil price slump | World news | The Guardian

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questo argomento viene citato sempre più frequente sui media USA... forse ha senso segnalarlo: Oil May Not Mess With Texas - Bloomberg View

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sulle code ai supermercati... situazione pesante, conseguenza di un sistema che non funziona e inevitabile dopo le dichiarazioni da pechino. ma naturalmente non ci avevano pensato prima di partire. boh, vedremo...

El vía crucis de comprar comida en Venezuela | Internacional | EL PAÍS

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dopo l'algeria,con i soliti discorsi di rafforzamento dell'opec ecc. ecc., maduro passerà in messico molto probabilmente. sembra che voglia chiedere di tagliare la produzione... al messico che lancia voci di voler provare il fracking. non mi pare una tecnica che porta all'abbassamento della produzione (cmq non succederà in tempi brevi).

i rumors dicono che "maduro no regresa porque ta cagao"... altri dicono molto informalmente che potrebbe rientrare anche a febbraio. sarebbe molto male, molto tardi.

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infine riflessioni da fare per chi fosse investito anche sugli US treasuries:

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Obi W. Kenobi

Forumer attivo
secondo me dobbiamo considerare anche una volontà "politica". se gli USA vogliono che lo shale sopravviva, troveranno il modo di finanziare l'estrazione. da non sottovalutare possibili miglioramenti tecnologici nell'ambiente..
io rimango positivo nel lungo periodo ma non so quale sia il fine di questa guerra..il petrolio a livelli bassi rilancerà l'attività produttiva anche in europa, sicuramente il consumo salirà ma questo non avverrà nell'immediato, dovranno passare un paio di anni...i venezuelani possono stringere la cinghia, probabilmente sono anche abituati a farlo. Un colpo di stato non risolverebbe nulla se non fosse fatto da chi vuole cambiare il paese, ma non credo che la prima cosa che farebbe un eventuale "uomo solo al comando" sia quella di dichiarare default..
aspetto non secondario è capire chi ha i bonds in mano...sono gli stessi venezuelani o solo piccoli speculatori come me? :):)
nel primo caso il giorno dopo il default si trovano la coda di gente con i forconi in mano :) :)

gli arabi stessi lasciano passare qualche commento che "lo shale debba sopravvivere"... tutto sta nel capire di che si tratta. per l'occupazione USA, non è da sottovalutare, nè in un senso nè in un altro. guarda ultimo pezzo del mio post sopra per avere un'idea dei numeri che girano...

IMHO, se c'è cash (nel Banco Central) per 2 MLD è già tanto.
Da qui dovrebbero passare i pagamenti per i soberanos.

Poi c'è ancora un pò di liquidità in giro tra i vari fondos (5 MLD?).

penso, ora non saprei... che le riserve della BCV siano composte ad oggi da 11.8 mln di once d'oro. l'equivalente in usd deve essere attualizzato periodicamente al valore corrente. oggi quotano 1237 usd per cui sono quasi 15 miliardi di dollari.

dovevano inglobare un po' di fonden nelle riserve. dopo i 4 mld del fondo chino-venezolano, torres disse che probabilmente ci entravano altri 6 mld in periodi successivi. se hanno iniziato a versarli, non so, qualche salto da 1 miliardo di dollari lo han fatto.

stante la situazione attuale, di cui non ho più news aggiornate da un paio di mesi, direi che una decina di miliardi liquidi fra BCV e liquidità fonden/PDVSA ci sia...
 

gionmorg

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Jan. 13 -- Richard Clarida, global strategic advisor at Pimco, discusses Moody’s downgrade of Venezuela’s credit rating to Caa3 following the drop in oil prices. He speaks on “Bloomberg Surveillance.”
Venezuela had its credit rating cut by Moody’s Investors Service to the world’s worst among countries not in default, as falling oil prices strain a government already confronting food shortages and 64 percent inflation.

Moody’s cut Venezuela’s rating two levels to Caa3, according to a statement, putting it on par with Ukraine, racked by conflict with Russia-aligned rebels, and Jamaica, which has defaulted twice since 2010.

Falling oil prices mean the Venezuelan government must rely on dwindling hard-currency income to pay for imports of food and medicine, which in turn could leave fewer resources to meet the country’s dollar-denominated debt obligations, according to Moody’s. Increased scarcity and faster inflation also may contribute to social unrest that could lead to regime change, Barclays Plc wrote today in a separate note to clients.

“With oil declining, the default risk has increased substantially,” Jaime Reusche, a senior analyst in the sovereign group at Moody’s, said by telephone from New York. “It seems highly likely there will be a credit event in the next one to two years.”

The new grade signifies “very high credit risk,” according to Moody’s. Only Argentina, which defaulted last year, has a lower grade. If Venezuela stopped making payments, bondholders would be likely to get less than 50 cents on the dollar in a restructuring, Moody’s said.

Traders in the credit-default swaps market already are pricing in a 75 percent probability the country misses payments in the next 12 months and a 97 percent likelihood it defaults in the next five years.

Deepening Unpopularity
Venezuela’s benchmark bonds due in 2027 fell 1.4 cents today to 37.42 cents on the dollar as of 12:03 p.m. in New York, on course for the lowest close since 1998.

“Moody’s is effectively putting it at the lowest possible tier before default, which is where it should be,” said Siobhan Morden, head of Latin American fixed income at Jefferies Group LLC.

The price of Venezuela’s oil, which accounts for about 95 percent of exports, fell last week to $42.44 a barrel, down 58 percent from a peak on June 27.

President Nicolas Maduro, who is on a tour of OPEC countries this week in a bid to rally support for higher oil prices, has said that the economic equilibrium for crude is about $100 a barrel.

Trying to limit the outflow of dollars risks deepening Maduro’s unpopularity in a country already beset by shortages, according to Moody’s Reusche. Maduro’s approval rating is just 22 percent, according to Datanalisis.

Declining Reserves
Foreign reserves declined $1.2 billion over the past week to about $20.9 billion, the central bank said yesterday.

“Devaluation or measures to curb imports will only hurt the government’s popularity even more and might even incite further social unrest and further protests,” he said.

Increased scarcity and faster inflation may contribute to social unrest that could lead to regime change, Alejandro Arreaza, an economist at Barclays, wrote today in a note to clients. The supply of basic food and goods is likely to deteriorate in coming months because Maduro has been so slow to act, he said.

Investors shouldn’t discard the “scenario of an exit of President Maduro because of the escalation of social conflict, voluntary resignation or a replacement due to a rebalancing of forces inside Chavismo,” Arreaza said. Chavismo is the populist movement inspired by the former president.

Long Queues
Yesterday, the government sought to solve the shortages that have led to long lines outside supermarkets by cracking down on queuing. Police are enforcing a government directive limiting Venezuelans to two shopping days per week at government-owned stores.

Two-time opposition presidential candidate Henrique Capriles yesterday called on Venezuelans to “express indignation.”

Under Maduro and predecessor Hugo Chavez, Venezuela has run the deepest budget deficits of any major economy, printing money in order to plug the gap and generating the world’s fastest inflation.

“Venezuela is a solvent country that has met its debt obligations over the past 15 years,” Maduro said last month, blaming ratings agencies for waging an “international financial blockade” on the country.

Fitch Downgrade
Fitch Ratings downgraded Venezuela’s foreign-currency bonds to CCC last month, while Standard & Poor’s cut Venezuela to CCC+ in September.

“We think it’s unlikely they’ll take forceful policy measures,” Reusche said. “But even if they do things like implement administrative controls to curb imports, adjustments to the multiple exchange rates or even raising the price of domestic fuel so that they can decrease consumption, these are all unlikely to materially change the conditions that heighten the probability of default.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Nathan Crooks in Caracas at [email protected]; Sebastian Boyd in Santiago at [email protected]

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Brendan Walsh at [email protected] Rita Nazareth, Bradley Keoun
 
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