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discipline

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Markets are betting on greek debt deal

Credit markets have a message for European officials wrangling with investors to cut Greece΄s debt: You will get a deal, but it may not be the one you want. According to Wall Street Journal, trading in Greek bonds and credit-default swaps suggests that while investors are betting an agreement will be reached, some bondholders are unlikely to enter into it voluntarily. That could lead to a technical default under the arcane rules of the credit markets, an outcome that European officials have been working hard to prevent.

European officials have aimed for voluntary agreement in part because it allows Greece to avoid the stigma of officially defaulting on its debt. Such an agreement also would mean bondholders had no right to make any claims under credit-default swaps, which offer insurance-like protection for bondholders in the event of a default. Trading in these swaps, known as CDS, has been vilified by European officials who see them as the domain of unscrupulous hedge funds seeking to profit from the region΄s troubles.

Expectations that a default still is in the cards can be seen in rising prices on Greek CDS. The cost of insuring $10 million Greek bonds for five years has risen to $7 million from $6 million over the past six weeks, according to pricing service Markit.

Traders say the higher costs of insuring against a Greek default reflects a growing belief that some bondholders, mainly hedge funds, won΄t voluntary agree to the deal. Some hedge funds have been purchasing short-term Greek debt, angling to profit from delaying a restructuring agreement and triggering CDS payments.

Should the hedge funds not sign on to a restructuring, Greece may need to force holdouts into a deal. That turn of events would likely be considered a default under the rules of CDS contracts and trigger a payout of the swaps.

Regardless of the possibility of hedge-fund holdouts, Greece is focusing its efforts on banks and asset managers, which own the majority of the bonds.

Those talks are entering their final stages, but key areas remain unresolved, people involved in the discussions said on Thursday. Pressure is rising to reach an agreement in time to be implemented before Greece has to pay holders of €14.5 billion ($18.6 billion) of bonds maturing in March.

"We are quite concerned about the lack of a clear process," said Charles Dallara, managing director of the Institute of International Finance, which is negotiating on behalf of more than 400 banks. "All parties really do need to come together here…and it has to be done in the next few days."

A senior Greek finance ministry official said the talks are "on track" and that a final outline may be reached by the end of next week.

Officials are pondering whether to add sweeteners to help convince investors to agree to the deal, under which many would have to take big losses. Under the current proposal, bondholders would accept an exchange of old bonds for new ones with maturities ranging between 20 and 30 years and a coupon of 4% to 5%. The exchange would slice roughly €100 billion off Greece΄s total public debt—50% of what it owes private creditors.

Potential carrots Greece might use to entice bondholders include higher interest rates on the new bonds or warrant-like instruments that would make additional payments if Greece hits economic growth targets, according to people involved in the negotiations. The two sides have agreed on one sweetener: Bondholders who participate in the restructuring would receive 15% of face value in a cash payment, the people said.

Panos Giannopoulos, a European interest-rate strategist at Credit Suisse AG, expects Greece will have to use some form of "coercive mechanism" to drag hedge funds into any agreement. Greece could pass new laws to impose the restructuring on all bondholders—which would trigger CDS payments—or levy other penalties.

Meantime, Greek bonds are trading as if a deal, at least with the banks, will get done. Most bonds are trading between 21% and 24% of face value, according to Markit.

That is about what bondholders could expect to recover. They will lose about 50% of face value when the bonds are swapped, but the new bonds also will be worth less to bondholders because their maturities are much longer. The expected recovery is anywhere between 30% and 35% of face value, according to bondholders.

Bondholders also are factoring in the risk that no deal gets done and Greece defaults in a disorderly fashion, in which case they may face even deeper losses. And they also are worried that even if a deal gets done, Greece΄s economic woes will force a second restructuring in the future.

"The market is pricing in some probability of [a voluntary restructuring], but…further down the road you have more restructuring risk," said Zoeb Sachee, head of European government-bond trading at Citigroup in London. At the same time, the market "is also allowing for some sort of forced restructuring or even a hard default."

The positioning by hedge funds in Greek debt is thought by market participants to account for a relatively small percentage of the country΄s bonds held in private hands, perhaps totaling around 10%.

One trader described recent hedge-fund activity in Greek bonds as coming in "dribs and drabs." Investors say that the market for Greek debt remains extremely illiquid with little trading.


"In theory you would stall the process to the point that Europe has no choice but to pay the bond on March 20 or face default at the same time," said Sohail Malik, a portfolio manager at European Credit Management in London, who currently doesn΄t have bets involving Greece.
 
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discipline

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Kapsis: Greece plans the legislation to force bond swaps

Greece is planning legislation in the near future that could force resistant bond holders into an involuntary debt exchange if a majority of private creditors agree to such a swap with the Athens, a government spokesman said Friday.

According to Dow Jones Newswires, the legislation would introduce collective action clauses into Greek government bond contracts, and could be used as a tool by the administration to ensure 100% participation in a debt-restructuring plan that it is negotiating with private creditors.

Speaking in a radio interview, government spokesman Pantelis Kapsis confirmed media reports that Athens will proceed with the legislation, but denied speculation it could be submitted as early as Friday.

"I don΄t think it will be today. But that such a change will be introduced, that is true," Kapsis said.

His remarks come as the head of the International Institute of Finance, Charles Dallara, meets Greece΄s prime minister and finance minister for a second day in the capital to flesh out the outlines of the debt-restructuring plan.

The outline of that plan may come as early as next week, and a formal offer to bondholders by early February.

But he added that no decision had yet been made on whether to activate the collective action clauses and force involuntary participation, saying Greece must first await the outcome of the debt deal.

The legislation "provides for the legal possibility to insert these clauses," Kapsis added. "We will take a look at the final agreement and at that point we will comment."



Mia personale morale della favola: fare tutto con comodo, spostare l'attenzione sulla legge e magari vararla anche, nel mentre le quotazioni vanno giù così come le prospettive di recovery, per cui ogni offerta sarà accettata come una liberazione. Unica leva per massimizzare la adesioni. Chi vivrà vedrà..
 
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g.ln

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autocancellato Imark?

Addirittura autocancellato dal forum? :eek::eek::eek:
Che è successo?
Non possiamo accettarlo!
Respinta la richiesta di dimissioni all'unanimità!
Ciao, Giuseppe
 
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Orwell

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Cari amici, questo è il mio ultimo intervento su questo forum, avendo chiesto di esservi cancellato. Avendo promesso a suo tempo che avrei dato una mano a seguire la vicenda greca fino al suo epilogo, continuerò ad aggiornare sui prezzi sul FOL.

Chi quindi ritrova una qualche utilità in queste righe, potrà leggerle lì.

Veniamo a noi: ieri la marzo 2012 ha chiuso OTC sugli stessi livelli dei retail market tedeschi (Xtrakter 44,79). Oggi è tendenzialmente stabile su quei mercati, in lieve crescita attorno a quota 44,90 con circa 2,5 mln di euro di nominale scambiato.

Buone nuove poi vengono dai corsi OTC del 2037 e del 2040, giacché per entrambi continua la salita rispetto ai corsi di ieri. Per il 2037 siamo a 21,71, per il 2040 a 21,85. Vale probabilmente il primum vivere dei mercati e la salita dei corsi più lunghi celebra il temporaneo allontanarsi di un evento default con ritorno alla dracma.

Ciao Imark, ti stimo tantissimo ... e mi dispiace.
 

carib

rerum cognoscere causas
Banale domanda: se risulta che oltre il 50% del GGB marzo 2012 é ora detenuto da creditori che, per i più svariati motivi, non aderiscono alla PSI... come risolvono il problema senza un default puro e duro?
Le CAC consentono alla maggioranza di imporre alla minoranza di adeguarsi.. non il contrario.
E si viene a conoscere la consistenza delle posizioni solo convocando un'assemblea dei creditori.. il che inevitabilmente richiede tempo.

Ovviamente, la grecia può poi introdurre una tassa del 98% sui coupons dei GGB residui..
(ma credo anche questo determinerebbe un event of default..).. il che non risolverebbe il problema del rimborso del capitale..
 

IlPorcospino

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Cari amici, questo è il mio ultimo intervento su questo forum, avendo chiesto di esservi cancellato. Avendo promesso a suo tempo che avrei dato una mano a seguire la vicenda greca fino al suo epilogo, continuerò ad aggiornare sui prezzi sul FOL.

Chi quindi ritrova una qualche utilità in queste righe, potrà leggerle lì.

Veniamo a noi: ieri la marzo 2012 ha chiuso OTC sugli stessi livelli dei retail market tedeschi (Xtrakter 44,79). Oggi è tendenzialmente stabile su quei mercati, in lieve crescita attorno a quota 44,90 con circa 2,5 mln di euro di nominale scambiato.

Buone nuove poi vengono dai corsi OTC del 2037 e del 2040, giacché per entrambi continua la salita rispetto ai corsi di ieri. Per il 2037 siamo a 21,71, per il 2040 a 21,85. Vale probabilmente il primum vivere dei mercati e la salita dei corsi più lunghi celebra il temporaneo allontanarsi di un evento default con ritorno alla dracma.

Mio carissimo, spero che sia solo un problema di tempo che ti manca perchè hai altro da fare. Ti ho sempre letto con vivo interesse.
 

russiabond

Il mito, la leggenda.
Banale domanda: se risulta che oltre il 50% del GGB marzo 2012 é ora detenuto da creditori che, per i più svariati motivi, non aderiscono alla PSI... come risolvono il problema senza un default puro e duro?
Le CAC consentono alla maggioranza di imporre alla minoranza di adeguarsi.. non il contrario.
E si viene a conoscere la consistenza delle posizioni solo convocando un'assemblea dei creditori.. il che inevitabilmente richiede tempo.

Ovviamente, la grecia può poi introdurre una tassa del 98% sui coupons dei GGB residui..
(ma credo anche questo determinerebbe un event of default..).. il che non risolverebbe il problema del rimborso del capitale..




siamo in mani a dei veri dilettanti ...:lol:

và a finire che ci rimborsano a 100...:D


...che dilettante la Kulona ...e Sarkiappone ....

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