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Anche a me
Ma le cose....come vedi.....cambiano
E siccome cambiano, fra qualche mese potremmo ritornare ad avere le stesse idee in questo thd!
Ciao, con simpatia, Giuseppe
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E siccome cambiano, fra qualche mese potremmo ritornare ad avere le stesse idee in questo thd!
Ciao, con simpatia, Giuseppe
fenox
Forumer storico
può essere una giusta lettura anche se restano aperti tutti gli scenari, certamente l'abbandono delle trattative con l'iif è del genere "o la va o lo spacca".
g.ln
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o la va o la spacca!
Spero ovviamente che la mia sia la lettura giusta!
Il conto alla rovescia continua!
Ciao, ciao, Giuseppe
può essere una giusta lettura anche se restano aperti tutti gli scenari, certamente l'abbandono delle trattative con l'iif è del genere "o la va o lo spacca".
Spero ovviamente che la mia sia la lettura giusta!
Il conto alla rovescia continua!
Ciao, ciao, Giuseppe
discipline
Forumer storico
Spero possa essere come dici te, però la situazione più che agli eroi pronti a contrattaccare fa pensare alla corsa affannosa verso le rispettive scialuppe di salvataggio..
g.ln
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si salvi chi può!
Spero vivamente che l'Europa non sia al si salvi chi può!
Le ultime uscite del trio Franco-tedesco-italiano facevano ben sperare!
Giuseppe
Spero vivamente che l'Europa non sia al si salvi chi può!
Le ultime uscite del trio Franco-tedesco-italiano facevano ben sperare!
Giuseppe
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UPDATE 3-Debt talks stumble, Greeks warn of disaster
Reuters - 13/01/2012 17:27:55
(Updates with Greeks less optimistic, private creditor group comments)
By Dina Kyriakidou
ATHENS, Jan 13 (Reuters) - Talks between Greece and its creditor banks aimed at avoiding a disorderly default broke down on Friday, with Greekswarning of disastrous results if a bond swap deal is not reached soon.
Athens needs an agreement, effectively seeing creditors voluntarily giving up a lot of their promised returns, to slash its debt to more sustainable levels and convince theEuropean Union and International Monetary Fund to keep lending it cash.
In what some analysts said may be a high stakes poker game at the last stretch of intense negotiations to convince private bond holders to voluntarily take some losses toavoid the worst, both sides appeared to be digging in their heels.
A Greek default would be far worse for both Greece and the banks than reaching some form of deal.
"Discussions with Greece and the official sector are paused forreflection," said the Institute of International Finance (IIF), which leads talks for private bond holders.
"Unfortunately, despite the efforts of Greece's leadership, the proposal put forward ... has not produced a constructive consolidatedresponse by all parties."
Greek debt swap negotiators said earlier they were less optimistic about reaching an agreement to avert a disorderly default, warning failure to reach a deal would be disastrous for Greece and Europe.
"Yesterdaywe were cautious and confident. Today we are less optimistic," said a source close to the Greek task force team in charge of negotiations.
"It is important to remind all parties that the consequences of failure would be catastrophic for Greeceand the Greek people, Europe and Europeans," the source said on condition of anonymity.
Some analysts said the statements may reflect negotiating tactics by both sides in the final stretch of the race to clinch a deal.
"I'm sure that'sexactly what it is. You have a situation where there was an initial agreement to write off at one level, then it's a write-off at a higher level and I'm sure there's some people looking at it saying we can get a better deal," said Gary Jenkins,director of Swordfish Research.
"When you're dealing with a sovereign, you don't have a huge amount of tricks up your sleeve, because if they choose not to pay you there's not an awful lot you can do," he added.
TALKS PAUSE FORREFLECTION
The IIF's Charles Dallara held meetings in Athens on Thursday and Friday and Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said talks would most likely resume next Wednesday because there were issues that needed to be worked out but it wasnot immediately clear what the stubling blocks were.
"There is a meeting next week and we'll make every effort to succeed," the source close to the Greek side said.
Greece needs a deal to stay afloat when a 14.5 billion euro major bondcomes due March 20 of and the bond swap paperwork alone will take at least six weeks.
EU, IMF and ECB inspectors, who arrive in Athens on Tuesday for talks on a new, 130-billion-euro rescue plan for Greece, also want to see an agreement on thedebt swap before they agree on the bailout.
Any agreement with private bondholders on debt reduction should be in line with the terms decided by euro zone leaders on October 26, the EU Commission said on Friday. (news)
Under theterms agreed in October, Greek privately held debt would be reduced by half, so that, together with structural reforms, the overall debt to GDP ratio of Greece would fall to a sustainable 120 pct in 2020 from 160 percent now.
A governmentspokesman said earlier that Greece had not decided yet on whether it will submit a law to force creditors into the bond swap, denying a Greek media report that it would do so by Monday.
Three senior euro zone sources told Reuters on Thursday that Athens was mulling such a bill, which would make a debt restructuring binding for all investors once a certain percentage agreed. (news)
Without using so called collective action clauses, the participation rate in any debt swap dealcould be smaller than needed because many hedge funds would profit more if Greece defaulted because they would get paid in full from insurance. (news)
German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle will arrive in Athens on Sunday for ameeting with his Greek counterpart Stavros Dimas, as part of a flurry of diplomatic contacts.
Greece will test markets on Jan. 17 with an auction 1.25 billion euros ($1.59 billion) of three-month T-bills to fund the rollover of a 2 billion-euroissue that matures on Jan. 20. T-bills are Greece's only source of market financing.
Reuters - 13/01/2012 17:27:55
(Updates with Greeks less optimistic, private creditor group comments)
By Dina Kyriakidou
ATHENS, Jan 13 (Reuters) - Talks between Greece and its creditor banks aimed at avoiding a disorderly default broke down on Friday, with Greekswarning of disastrous results if a bond swap deal is not reached soon.
Athens needs an agreement, effectively seeing creditors voluntarily giving up a lot of their promised returns, to slash its debt to more sustainable levels and convince theEuropean Union and International Monetary Fund to keep lending it cash.
In what some analysts said may be a high stakes poker game at the last stretch of intense negotiations to convince private bond holders to voluntarily take some losses toavoid the worst, both sides appeared to be digging in their heels.
A Greek default would be far worse for both Greece and the banks than reaching some form of deal.
"Discussions with Greece and the official sector are paused forreflection," said the Institute of International Finance (IIF), which leads talks for private bond holders.
"Unfortunately, despite the efforts of Greece's leadership, the proposal put forward ... has not produced a constructive consolidatedresponse by all parties."
Greek debt swap negotiators said earlier they were less optimistic about reaching an agreement to avert a disorderly default, warning failure to reach a deal would be disastrous for Greece and Europe.
"Yesterdaywe were cautious and confident. Today we are less optimistic," said a source close to the Greek task force team in charge of negotiations.
"It is important to remind all parties that the consequences of failure would be catastrophic for Greeceand the Greek people, Europe and Europeans," the source said on condition of anonymity.
Some analysts said the statements may reflect negotiating tactics by both sides in the final stretch of the race to clinch a deal.
"I'm sure that'sexactly what it is. You have a situation where there was an initial agreement to write off at one level, then it's a write-off at a higher level and I'm sure there's some people looking at it saying we can get a better deal," said Gary Jenkins,director of Swordfish Research.
"When you're dealing with a sovereign, you don't have a huge amount of tricks up your sleeve, because if they choose not to pay you there's not an awful lot you can do," he added.
TALKS PAUSE FORREFLECTION
The IIF's Charles Dallara held meetings in Athens on Thursday and Friday and Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said talks would most likely resume next Wednesday because there were issues that needed to be worked out but it wasnot immediately clear what the stubling blocks were.
"There is a meeting next week and we'll make every effort to succeed," the source close to the Greek side said.
Greece needs a deal to stay afloat when a 14.5 billion euro major bondcomes due March 20 of and the bond swap paperwork alone will take at least six weeks.
EU, IMF and ECB inspectors, who arrive in Athens on Tuesday for talks on a new, 130-billion-euro rescue plan for Greece, also want to see an agreement on thedebt swap before they agree on the bailout.
Any agreement with private bondholders on debt reduction should be in line with the terms decided by euro zone leaders on October 26, the EU Commission said on Friday. (news)
Under theterms agreed in October, Greek privately held debt would be reduced by half, so that, together with structural reforms, the overall debt to GDP ratio of Greece would fall to a sustainable 120 pct in 2020 from 160 percent now.
A governmentspokesman said earlier that Greece had not decided yet on whether it will submit a law to force creditors into the bond swap, denying a Greek media report that it would do so by Monday.
Three senior euro zone sources told Reuters on Thursday that Athens was mulling such a bill, which would make a debt restructuring binding for all investors once a certain percentage agreed. (news)
Without using so called collective action clauses, the participation rate in any debt swap dealcould be smaller than needed because many hedge funds would profit more if Greece defaulted because they would get paid in full from insurance. (news)
German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle will arrive in Athens on Sunday for ameeting with his Greek counterpart Stavros Dimas, as part of a flurry of diplomatic contacts.
Greece will test markets on Jan. 17 with an auction 1.25 billion euros ($1.59 billion) of three-month T-bills to fund the rollover of a 2 billion-euroissue that matures on Jan. 20. T-bills are Greece's only source of market financing.
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Dimissioni irrevocabili?
Quella di Tommy è un'assenza temporanea da lui stesso annunciata!
Quella definitiva di Imark è per me un mistero!
Forse qualcuno nel thd sa qualcosa di più, e lo tiene riservato!
Imark, le tue dimissioni non possono essere irrevocabili!
Giuseppe
Quella di Tommy è un'assenza temporanea da lui stesso annunciata!
Quella definitiva di Imark è per me un mistero!
Forse qualcuno nel thd sa qualcosa di più, e lo tiene riservato!
Imark, le tue dimissioni non possono essere irrevocabili!
Giuseppe
g.ln
Triplo Panico: comprare
il francese gioiva e rideva!
A me rimane forte in mente il riso (se non la gioia) del francese di fronte ai guai italiani.
Credo che quella scena rimarrà per sempre nella memoria storica degli italiani.
Ciao, Giuseppe
A me rimane forte in mente il riso (se non la gioia) del francese di fronte ai guai italiani.
Credo che quella scena rimarrà per sempre nella memoria storica degli italiani.
Ciao, Giuseppe
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