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nullo è anche il loro risultato!
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nullo è anche il loro risultato!
Brisico
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La causa tra TFA e Repubblica Argentina è ancora in corso, in ogni caso se non si vuole aderire a nessun ricorso... stiamoci zitti e ingoiamoci la truffa!
Orwell
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Si è giusto, ma non avevo nessun intento polemico.
giub
New Membro
Europe aims to boost rescue fund, plots deep Greek writedown | Reuters
(Reuters) - Europe's leaders intend to multiply their rescue fund fourfold to one trillion euros and press Greece's creditors to accept losses of over 50 percent on their bondholdings, but the details of their plan to end the debt crisis are still not fully formed
(Reuters) - Europe's leaders intend to multiply their rescue fund fourfold to one trillion euros and press Greece's creditors to accept losses of over 50 percent on their bondholdings, but the details of their plan to end the debt crisis are still not fully formed
giub
New Membro
la sapete l'ultima?
Heard the one about the eurozone, and the haircut?
By Michael Roddy
LONDON | Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:27pm EDT
(Reuters) - Every dark cloud has its humorous lining and Europe's seemingly non-stop debt and currency crisis is no exception.
From the heavily indebted nations of the euro zone, which seem to be dragging the rest of the continent down with them, to the finance ministers, prime ministers and chancellors trying to steer the ships of state safely clear of the debt iceberg, no one escapes the humorists' barbs.
"Why did Greece fail to get the latest installment of EU/IMF aid?" goes one of the riddles making the rounds, many of which finger Greece as the most catastrophic of the euro-debt basket cases.
"Because no one in Greece works long enough to complete the application form."
"A Greek, an Irishman and a Portuguese go into a bar and order a drink. Who picks up the bill? A German."
And from the website of the German newspaper Deutsche Welle:
"There's a joke doing the rounds in Bratislava -- 'For 400 euros you can adopt a Greek. He'll stay at your place, sleep late, drink coffee, have lunch and then take a nap, so you can go to work.'"
Sometimes, it almost gets personal.
A Reuters correspondent of Greek nationality was asked, with a smirk, by a hairdresser in Amsterdam:
"So are you willing to accept a 50 percent haircut?" -- the reference being to a plan to ask Greek bondholders to take 50 percent losses -- known as a "haircut" in financial parlance.
Sometimes -- but not often -- the joke does not involve Greece.
"What's the difference between Iceland and Ireland?" went one popular riddle at the time when Ireland looked as if it would follow the tiny island nation of Iceland, whose banking system collapsed in the midst of the 2008 global financial crisis.
"One letter and about six months," was the answer.
GREEKS REACT IN KIND
The Greeks have not taken all this lying down and are especially incensed at criticism from Germany, which has revived historic enmities.
Some cartoons have sprung up depicting the "troika" of senior EU officials as soldiers in World War Two German uniform, and some Greeks are beginning to resent German tourists.
And what of the continent's heavy hitters whose meetings, mostly in Brussels but also in Luxembourg, Hungary, Finland, Poland and elsewhere have tried to come up with a rescue plan, but have dragged on for many months? Their parlays and personalities are fertile territory too.
Q: "How many European finance ministers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. There's nothing wrong with the light bulb."
Or:
Q: What economic model correctly forecasts the outlook for the European economy? A double-dip recession, a V-shaped recovery, or something else?
A: The bathtub. A steep decline, then a period of stagnation, then it goes down the drain.
And:
Q: How do you know it's going to be a double-dip recession?
A: Greek exports of taramosalata and tzatziki have plunged.
Germany's dominant role in the rescue talks, and German criticism of those countries that have racked up huge debts, is also a target.
The Portuguese newspaper Public's humor section, "Public Enemy," commented a few weeks ago: "Germany does not rule out leaving the euro zone, but taking all the euro notes and coins with it."
Personalities, too, are grist for the mill. The humor requires only a passing knowledge of the fact that German Chancellor Angela Merkel's country is the strongest economy in Europe, French President Nicolas Sarkozy's wife Carla Bruni just had a baby, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi likes to party and Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou's country is the butt of almost every joke.
Hence, the official schedule for a eurozone summit this week was appended, in a wag stealth attack, as follows:
"Working session of the European Council 19.15 Working dinner 20.00 Bilateral meetings/Eurozone only session 22.00 Press Conference... 22:05 - Silvio Berlusconi heads off to the nightclub; drinks on him.......Angela declines because she wants to, Sarko because he has to, Papandreou because he can't afford the taxi back."
A little more knowledge of European history, back to the Cold War era when East was communist and had an economic union called COMECON, and West was capitalist and joined up in the EU, helps readers appreciate this update of an old Hungarian wheeze:
"What's the coat of arms of Comecon? Seven skin-and-bone cows in a green pasture milking each other. These days it's 27 cows and the EU."
Humor can also reveal the pathos behind that smiling mask, as in the Frankfurter Rundschau cartoon showing a child walking into the living room in the evening saying, "I can't sleep."
The father, looking up from the TV where he is watching a program about saving the euro, says:
"Oh, dear little bunny, were you dreaming about who might have to pay for all of this one day?"
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discipline
Forumer storico
Veramente molto divertente..
la sapete l'ultima?
Heard the one about the eurozone, and the haircut?
By Michael Roddy
LONDON | Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:27pm EDT
(Reuters) - Every dark cloud has its humorous lining and Europe's seemingly non-stop debt and currency crisis is no exception.
From the heavily indebted nations of the euro zone, which seem to be dragging the rest of the continent down with them, to the finance ministers, prime ministers and chancellors trying to steer the ships of state safely clear of the debt iceberg, no one escapes the humorists' barbs.
"Why did Greece fail to get the latest installment of EU/IMF aid?" goes one of the riddles making the rounds, many of which finger Greece as the most catastrophic of the euro-debt basket cases.
"Because no one in Greece works long enough to complete the application form."
"A Greek, an Irishman and a Portuguese go into a bar and order a drink. Who picks up the bill? A German."
And from the website of the German newspaper Deutsche Welle:
"There's a joke doing the rounds in Bratislava -- 'For 400 euros you can adopt a Greek. He'll stay at your place, sleep late, drink coffee, have lunch and then take a nap, so you can go to work.'"
Sometimes, it almost gets personal.
A Reuters correspondent of Greek nationality was asked, with a smirk, by a hairdresser in Amsterdam:
"So are you willing to accept a 50 percent haircut?" -- the reference being to a plan to ask Greek bondholders to take 50 percent losses -- known as a "haircut" in financial parlance.
Sometimes -- but not often -- the joke does not involve Greece.
"What's the difference between Iceland and Ireland?" went one popular riddle at the time when Ireland looked as if it would follow the tiny island nation of Iceland, whose banking system collapsed in the midst of the 2008 global financial crisis.
"One letter and about six months," was the answer.
GREEKS REACT IN KIND
The Greeks have not taken all this lying down and are especially incensed at criticism from Germany, which has revived historic enmities.
Some cartoons have sprung up depicting the "troika" of senior EU officials as soldiers in World War Two German uniform, and some Greeks are beginning to resent German tourists.
And what of the continent's heavy hitters whose meetings, mostly in Brussels but also in Luxembourg, Hungary, Finland, Poland and elsewhere have tried to come up with a rescue plan, but have dragged on for many months? Their parlays and personalities are fertile territory too.
Q: "How many European finance ministers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. There's nothing wrong with the light bulb."
Or:
Q: What economic model correctly forecasts the outlook for the European economy? A double-dip recession, a V-shaped recovery, or something else?
A: The bathtub. A steep decline, then a period of stagnation, then it goes down the drain.
And:
Q: How do you know it's going to be a double-dip recession?
A: Greek exports of taramosalata and tzatziki have plunged.
Germany's dominant role in the rescue talks, and German criticism of those countries that have racked up huge debts, is also a target.
The Portuguese newspaper Public's humor section, "Public Enemy," commented a few weeks ago: "Germany does not rule out leaving the euro zone, but taking all the euro notes and coins with it."
Personalities, too, are grist for the mill. The humor requires only a passing knowledge of the fact that German Chancellor Angela Merkel's country is the strongest economy in Europe, French President Nicolas Sarkozy's wife Carla Bruni just had a baby, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi likes to party and Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou's country is the butt of almost every joke.
Hence, the official schedule for a eurozone summit this week was appended, in a wag stealth attack, as follows:
"Working session of the European Council 19.15 Working dinner 20.00 Bilateral meetings/Eurozone only session 22.00 Press Conference... 22:05 - Silvio Berlusconi heads off to the nightclub; drinks on him.......Angela declines because she wants to, Sarko because he has to, Papandreou because he can't afford the taxi back."
A little more knowledge of European history, back to the Cold War era when East was communist and had an economic union called COMECON, and West was capitalist and joined up in the EU, helps readers appreciate this update of an old Hungarian wheeze:
"What's the coat of arms of Comecon? Seven skin-and-bone cows in a green pasture milking each other. These days it's 27 cows and the EU."
Humor can also reveal the pathos behind that smiling mask, as in the Frankfurter Rundschau cartoon showing a child walking into the living room in the evening saying, "I can't sleep."
The father, looking up from the TV where he is watching a program about saving the euro, says:
"Oh, dear little bunny, were you dreaming about who might have to pay for all of this one day?"
gualberto
Charlie don't Surf
Ambienti governativi: l'importo concordato di "haircut"
Voli da Bruxelles: Christos Koutras 27/10/2011 | 00:04 Ultimo aggiornamento: 27/10/2011 00:04
O il ministro delle Finanze Evangelos Venizelos
Accordo sembra essere stato raggiunto sul livello di "haircut" del debito greco come fonti del governo diffuso. Caratteristiche indicano che il dibattito "ha lasciato i tassi e si sta ora concentrando su questioni tecniche."
La teleconferenza ministro delle Finanze Evangelos Venizelos, il portavoce del governo Elias Mossialos e il Vice Ministro degli Esteri Marilisa XENOGIANNAKOPOULOU da Bruxelles con i membri del comitato di governo di Atene finì.
I lavori della riunione dei leader della zona euro, che ha avuto inizio intorno al 10 pm (GMT), sono in corso.
Voli da Bruxelles: Christos Koutras 27/10/2011 | 00:04 Ultimo aggiornamento: 27/10/2011 00:04
O il ministro delle Finanze Evangelos Venizelos
Accordo sembra essere stato raggiunto sul livello di "haircut" del debito greco come fonti del governo diffuso. Caratteristiche indicano che il dibattito "ha lasciato i tassi e si sta ora concentrando su questioni tecniche."
La teleconferenza ministro delle Finanze Evangelos Venizelos, il portavoce del governo Elias Mossialos e il Vice Ministro degli Esteri Marilisa XENOGIANNAKOPOULOU da Bruxelles con i membri del comitato di governo di Atene finì.
I lavori della riunione dei leader della zona euro, che ha avuto inizio intorno al 10 pm (GMT), sono in corso.
GlobalMacro
Forumer attivo
Avevano annunciato, così come nel Portogallo e nell'Italia, ma conoscendo i cinesi, (ho un certo numero di colleghi), loro sono interessati ad acquisire conoscenza, titoli in misura secondaria, quindi possono prendere titoli di stato solo per tenere a galla uno stato che a sua volta tiene a galla aziende o istituzioni alle quali loro sono interessati per acquisizioni, ma soprattutto per ottenere conoscenza, che è la cosa di cui più hanno bisogno, nonostante quello che si pensa.
Ovviamente una recessione dei paesi sviluppati è assai poco gradita, ma loro ragionano sul lungo termine.
bosmeld
Forumer storico
brisco mi permetto di dirti di stare calmo.
1 mai fare affidamento su fonti italiane (giornali, radio, tv ecc...) sparano cazz.. spessissimo.
2 se ragioni a mente lucida ti accorgi che qui tutti stanno usando la parola TRATTARE significa quindi un accordo volontario.
almeno io la vedo così, almeno per il momento, poi è vero che tutto può succedere. ma direi che la lucidità in questi momenti è molto molto importante.
p.s cmq domani volevo arrivare in ufficio con calma, ma per sicurezza vado un po prima, per cercare di vedere news.
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gualberto
Charlie don't Surf
aggiornamento della news in precedenza postata
Per uno ultimatum Merkel - Sarkozy ai banchieri, nel frattempo, perché l'agenzia francese con telegramma in questione.
Si dice due leader europei andranno direttamente in trattative con i banchieri al greco "haircut", se hanno successo, si procederà unilateralmente ristrutturare il proprio debito. Informazioni fare riferimento al debito "haircut" del 48%.
cosa significa la frase in grassetto?
Per uno ultimatum Merkel - Sarkozy ai banchieri, nel frattempo, perché l'agenzia francese con telegramma in questione.
Si dice due leader europei andranno direttamente in trattative con i banchieri al greco "haircut", se hanno successo, si procederà unilateralmente ristrutturare il proprio debito. Informazioni fare riferimento al debito "haircut" del 48%.
cosa significa la frase in grassetto?
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