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Per me sono sciocchezze, se dovessero farlo sarebbe ben più del 6 per mille, diciamo 3-5% almeno, perché servirebbe ad abbattere al debito.
Mi sembra che il prelievo Amato fosse dovuto a esigenze di cassa immediate dalla notte al giorno, da qui l'aliquota bassa.
Comunque ho il libro di Barucci dove riporta tutta la storia, un'ora e lo vado a guardare.
 
Si comincia a capire dove andranno a parare..

Europe might force Greek deal on creditors-source


LONDON | Wed Nov 2, 2011 12:16pm EDT

Nov 2 (Reuters) - Europe is increasingly likely to force investors to take a cut on their Greek bondholdings if they do not voluntarily sign up to a deal to slash the country's debt burden, a person briefed on the negotiations said on Wednesday.
The deal is part of an ambitious plan that was thrown into doubt this week when Greece said in a shock announcement it would vet the three-pronged agreement through a plebiscite.
A referendum would not necessarily sound the death-knell for the plan however, depending on how the question put before the people was phrased, and had been used in previous restructurings of sovereign debt, the person said.
Athens could squeeze out bondholders by changing the law so that the terms of any untendered bonds would have the same terms as the new ones, if a majority of debtholders -- for instance 75 percent -- voted in favour of the exchange.
Qualms that this would mean the deal with banks would no longer be voluntary, and could trigger a pay-out of Credit Default Swaps (CDS) -- something that Europe has long tried to prevent -- were gradually waning, the person said.
"The Europeans are now looking at the need to devote truly susbtantial financial resources to building firewalls around Spain and Italy, and therefore they are beginning to pinch pennies," the person said.
"No longer do you hear the statements you heard in May 2010, (that) whatever it takes, we will fund Greece."
Banks represented by the Institute of International Finance (IIF) agreed to write off the notional value of their Greek bondholdings by 50 percent early on Thursday, Oct. 27, after hours of hard-nosed talks with politicians.
The deal with the banks would reduce Greece's debt ratio to 120 percent of its Gross Domestic Product by 2020, but key details determining the cost for banks -- such as the coupon and the discount rate -- are still being negotiated.
There are 206 bilion euros ($282 bilion) of Greek government bonds in private sector hands, and a 50 percent reduction would reduce Greece's debt burden by some 100 billion euros. Its debt to GDP ratio now stands at 160 percent.
The IIF has sounded an optimistic note about the uptake of the agreement it has brokered, saying more than 90 percent of banks will take part, but others have said lead negotiator Charles Dallara was too optimistic.
"I don't know where he gets any of that. The IIF ... does not hold any bonds themselves. I would take all of that with a grain of salt," the person said.
Greece could change its laws, which for the largest part do not contain so-called Collective Action Clauses (CAC) to squeeze out minorities, and introduce an aggregated rule imposing new conditions on outstanding bonds.
"They've not yet come to that point. But you can look down the road and you can see pretty clearly where this thing is going to shake out," the person said.
"It would be a very mild use of legislative power, and obviously far milder than passing a law saying (everything worth) 100 now is (worth) 50."
Resistance against any form of CAC had largely come from the European Central Bank (ECB) and the French government, but these were now also leaning towards their use, the source said: "voluntary has become code word for CAC".
"It is the same meaning of voluntary that would be true if I stepped out on the 38th floor (of my office), I would voluntarily subscribe to the law of gravity. The splat would be the same," the person said.


Europe might force Greek deal on creditors-source | Reuters

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Dichiarazione congiunta Merkel-Sarkozy dopo l'incontro con Papandreou a Cannes
Pubblicato: Mercoledì 2 novembre, 2011

Dichiarazione congiunta dopo l'incontro a Cannes ci si aspetta di fare, di tanto in tanto, Agnkela il cancelliere tedesco Merkel e il presidente francese Nicolas Sarkozy, dopo un incontro con il primo ministro greco Papandreou.

Una dichiarazione separata si prevede di rendere il primo ministro greco.
 
Per me sono sciocchezze, se dovessero farlo sarebbe ben più del 6 per mille, diciamo 3-5% almeno, perché servirebbe ad abbattere al debito.
Mi sembra che il prelievo Amato fosse dovuto a esigenze di cassa immediate dalla notte al giorno, da qui l'aliquota bassa.
Comunque ho il libro di Barucci dove riporta tutta la storia, un'ora e lo vado a guardare.

lascia stare
sai quando su 4 post fatti, 2 sono di un certo tenore è bene puntualizzare
 
anche dal piano italiano, secondo il nanotto stavolta cade e anche di brutto

Così i BTP domani finiscono al 7% se va bene, per me fanno un decreto, magari su poche misure, lo fanno firmare da Napolitano, fanno bella figura al G20, poi farlo convertire in legge è un'altro paio di maniche e lì effettivamente potrebbe cadere, ma per quel tempo avranno il governo di riserva pronto, che ripropone lo stesso decreto con l'add-on.
 
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