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sono rimasto povero e non scherzo purtroppo
però ho un casino di nominale
Mi gioco l' ultima cartuccia....se ci riesco......
Poi comincio un po di loss.....per fortuna minus ne ho pochissime fino ad ora
robinson
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ma oggi non ci sono dichiarazioni ufficiali dei soliti Merkel e i suoi ministri, IMF, troika, Venizelos....?
o è la mancanza di Tommy che non li posta?
il momento è catartico... e c'è uno strano silenzio oggi... surreale...
(ah, la Merkel è a Berlino a colloquio con il papa... Ratzinger,. non quello greco)
tra l' altro:
La presenza di Papa Benedetto in Germania ha fatto slittare un voto cruciale al parlamento per l'ampliamento del fondo di aiuti EFSF.
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robinson
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CRISI UE
Eurobond, Angela ripensaci
Gli economisti sono contro Merkel.
di Barbara Ciolli
Alla fine di settembre, il Bundestag deve decidere se dare o meno l'ok al fondo Ue salva-Stati (Efsf), necessario per gli aiuti alla Grecia e per stabilizzare i mercati, il cui crollo è all'ordine del giorno. E con la Bce in attesa di sostituire il suo capo economista dimissionario, il tedesco Jürgen Stark, l'Unione europea è ormai sempre più nelle mani della Germania.
«La moneta comune va difesa», ha rassicurato la cancelliera Angela Merkel, «ma gli Eurobond restano una scorciatoia impraticabile»: un no convinto e tenace, nonostante - ebbene sì - non siano pochi gli economisti tedeschi di peso, pronti anche a «valutare questa opzione», tra gli ex viceministri di governo, consiglieri ed ex consiglieri.
GLI ECONOMISTI PRO EUROBOND. Tra loro, c'è anche Bert Rürup, l'ex presidente del Sachverständigenrat, il Consiglio di saggi che assiste politici e governatori in materia economica, disponibile a un'introduzione graduale delle obbligazioni Ue: «Gli Eurobond sono uno strumento per creare più garanzie, rendendo l'economia dell'Eurozona più solida», ha dichiarato l'ex advisor di Frau Merkel a Lettera43.it.
Secondo il socialdemocratico Peter Bofinger, uno degli attuali cinque saggi del Sachverständigenrat, i titoli europei sono addirittura l'«unica alternativa» per fermare il terremoto finanziario. Mentre Heiner Flassbeck, capo-economista dell'Onu a Ginevra ed ex vice di Oskar Lafontaine alle Finanze, da anni si augura una svolta «verso linee europee comuni della Germania, dopo anni di dannose politiche difensive».
Eurobond, Angela ripensaci
Gli economisti sono contro Merkel.
di Barbara Ciolli
Alla fine di settembre, il Bundestag deve decidere se dare o meno l'ok al fondo Ue salva-Stati (Efsf), necessario per gli aiuti alla Grecia e per stabilizzare i mercati, il cui crollo è all'ordine del giorno. E con la Bce in attesa di sostituire il suo capo economista dimissionario, il tedesco Jürgen Stark, l'Unione europea è ormai sempre più nelle mani della Germania.
«La moneta comune va difesa», ha rassicurato la cancelliera Angela Merkel, «ma gli Eurobond restano una scorciatoia impraticabile»: un no convinto e tenace, nonostante - ebbene sì - non siano pochi gli economisti tedeschi di peso, pronti anche a «valutare questa opzione», tra gli ex viceministri di governo, consiglieri ed ex consiglieri.
GLI ECONOMISTI PRO EUROBOND. Tra loro, c'è anche Bert Rürup, l'ex presidente del Sachverständigenrat, il Consiglio di saggi che assiste politici e governatori in materia economica, disponibile a un'introduzione graduale delle obbligazioni Ue: «Gli Eurobond sono uno strumento per creare più garanzie, rendendo l'economia dell'Eurozona più solida», ha dichiarato l'ex advisor di Frau Merkel a Lettera43.it.
Secondo il socialdemocratico Peter Bofinger, uno degli attuali cinque saggi del Sachverständigenrat, i titoli europei sono addirittura l'«unica alternativa» per fermare il terremoto finanziario. Mentre Heiner Flassbeck, capo-economista dell'Onu a Ginevra ed ex vice di Oskar Lafontaine alle Finanze, da anni si augura una svolta «verso linee europee comuni della Germania, dopo anni di dannose politiche difensive».
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UPDATE 2-Greeks strike amid pain and anger over austerity
Reuters - 22/09/2011 15:13:12
* Athens traffic snarled, planes delayed
* Protesters march on parliament
* Troika to return to Greece next week
(Adds detail from demonstration, government officials)
By Lefteris Papadimas and Tatiana Fragou
ATHENS, Sept 22 (Reuters) -
Greek workers staged a 24-hour strike on Thursday forcing the transport system to a standstill in protest against the government's intensified austerity drive to secure aid to save the debt-laden country from bankruptcy.
About 1,000 members of Communist group MAS marched to parliament chanting "Resist" and "Plutocracy should pay for this crisis" as part of the first big nationwide rallies since June when daily protests ended in bloody clashes with police.
Another 6,000 students, some carrying black flags and wearing teargas masks, and teachers joined them outside parliament, with union members expected to join them later. There was a big riot police deployment.
Striking taxi drivers and bus, metro and rail workers meant commuters had to use their own cars, triggering kilometres-long traffic jams and stranding tourists at hotels in Athens' ancient city centre. Unions said more strikes were planned.
"The situation is dramatic, all major streets are jammed," said one traffic police official, who declined to be named. An air traffic controller stoppage delayed 100 flights by up to four hours and dozens more in an out of Greece were cancelled.
After a "troika" of EU and IMF inspectors made clear they were losing patience with the government's failure to meet the targets of a bailout and threatened to withhold aid, the cabinet agreed on Wednesday to front-load austerity measures in a strategy expected to win them more time and money.
"For the troika at the moment it's enough and the measures will be approved by parliament. The troika will release the next tranche," Christoph Weil, a senior economist at Commerzbank, told Reuters.
Greece must now confront the trickier issue of how to collect extra taxes and implement the painful measures although commentators said the fiery opposition of the past amongst some protesters had given way to weary resignation. <^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
For more news on Greece crisis: (news)
For multimedia coverage on the Euro Zone Crisis page on Top
News: http://link.reuters.com/jyr68r
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Policymakers and economists fear a Greek default on its 340-billion-euro debt could set global markets tumbling and push other vulnerable euro zone members like Italy and Spain over the edge, risking plunging the West back into recession.
The chairman of Goldman Sachs' overseas arm said on Thursday the Greek situation was a major threat to the euro, while Canada said it could trigger a global banking crisis if Europe did not get it under control. (news) (news)
"WE HAVE NO HOPE"
As well as cutting pensions and extending a real estate tax rise, the cabinet said it would put 30,000 civil servants in "labour reserve" this year, cutting their pay to 60 percent and giving them 12 months to find new work in the state sector or lose their jobs.
"This is a policy we do not tolerate, we do not want. We are in continuous, total, permanent opposition to it," said
Yannis Panagopoulos, president of private sector employees union GSEE, speaking on state NET TV.
With the economy expected to contract by at least 5 percent this year, after a 4.4 percent slump in 2010, and unemployment at 16 percent and rising, most Greeks hold little hope austerity measures will help the nation emerge from crisis.
"We are living in terror that we may lose our jobs, our lives. Even if these lay-offs are necessary, we are not being treated like humans," said Costas Andrianopoulos, 32, who works at the National theatre.
"They cut our wages and our pensions and we took it. But I don't believe any more that any of this is for the good of the country. We'll be sacrificed for nothing. We can't avoid default, We have no hope."
The conservative opposition, which has a slim lead over Prime Minister George Papandreou's Socialists in opinion polls and has called for snap elections, maintained its refusal to cooperate with the government, which has irked EU leaders.
TROIKA TO ATHENS NEXT WEEK
"The euro zone's leading nations are nervous and are taking it out on us," Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said on Thursday, pursuing a familiar line that Greece is being made into a scapegoat for wider problems. "We must fully honour our obligations so that no pretexts can be used (against us)."
The country remains bitterly divided between private sector workers who say a bloated state bureaucracy is strangling Greeks and public servants who say the biggest problems are political corruption and tax evasion.
The new measures followed warnings from the EU and IMF inspectors that Greece must stop missing the targets of its five-year bailout plan or miss the 8-billion-euro ($11 billion) aid tranche it needs to pay salaries next month.
After more than a year of Greece consistently falling behind on its commitments, the head of an EU taskforce helping Athens said on Thursday he now saw a greater willingness by Greek officials to put the reforms in place. (news)
But troika officials, wary of Greek government inertia, will be closely scrutinising the latest proposals to see if they are sufficient to plug fiscal gaps and can be implemented swiftly, ahead of meetings between Venizelos and finance ministers and senior IMF officials in Washington this week.
Government officials expected the measures to be passed by parliament in the next two to three weeks after they have been discussed with the troika team which is expected to return to Athens early next week to complete their review.
* Athens traffic snarled, planes delayed
* Protesters march on parliament
* Troika to return to Greece next week
(Adds detail from demonstration, government officials)
By Lefteris Papadimas and Tatiana Fragou
ATHENS, Sept 22 (Reuters) -
Greek workers staged a 24-hour strike on Thursday forcing the transport system to a standstill in protest against the government's intensified austerity drive to secure aid to save the debt-laden country from bankruptcy.
About 1,000 members of Communist group MAS marched to parliament chanting "Resist" and "Plutocracy should pay for this crisis" as part of the first big nationwide rallies since June when daily protests ended in bloody clashes with police.
Another 6,000 students, some carrying black flags and wearing teargas masks, and teachers joined them outside parliament, with union members expected to join them later. There was a big riot police deployment.
Striking taxi drivers and bus, metro and rail workers meant commuters had to use their own cars, triggering kilometres-long traffic jams and stranding tourists at hotels in Athens' ancient city centre. Unions said more strikes were planned.
"The situation is dramatic, all major streets are jammed," said one traffic police official, who declined to be named. An air traffic controller stoppage delayed 100 flights by up to four hours and dozens more in an out of Greece were cancelled.
After a "troika" of EU and IMF inspectors made clear they were losing patience with the government's failure to meet the targets of a bailout and threatened to withhold aid, the cabinet agreed on Wednesday to front-load austerity measures in a strategy expected to win them more time and money.
"For the troika at the moment it's enough and the measures will be approved by parliament. The troika will release the next tranche," Christoph Weil, a senior economist at Commerzbank, told Reuters.
Greece must now confront the trickier issue of how to collect extra taxes and implement the painful measures although commentators said the fiery opposition of the past amongst some protesters had given way to weary resignation. <^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
For more news on Greece crisis: (news)
For multimedia coverage on the Euro Zone Crisis page on Top
News: http://link.reuters.com/jyr68r
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>
Policymakers and economists fear a Greek default on its 340-billion-euro debt could set global markets tumbling and push other vulnerable euro zone members like Italy and Spain over the edge, risking plunging the West back into recession.
The chairman of Goldman Sachs' overseas arm said on Thursday the Greek situation was a major threat to the euro, while Canada said it could trigger a global banking crisis if Europe did not get it under control. (news) (news)
"WE HAVE NO HOPE"
As well as cutting pensions and extending a real estate tax rise, the cabinet said it would put 30,000 civil servants in "labour reserve" this year, cutting their pay to 60 percent and giving them 12 months to find new work in the state sector or lose their jobs.
"This is a policy we do not tolerate, we do not want. We are in continuous, total, permanent opposition to it," said
Yannis Panagopoulos, president of private sector employees union GSEE, speaking on state NET TV.
With the economy expected to contract by at least 5 percent this year, after a 4.4 percent slump in 2010, and unemployment at 16 percent and rising, most Greeks hold little hope austerity measures will help the nation emerge from crisis.
"We are living in terror that we may lose our jobs, our lives. Even if these lay-offs are necessary, we are not being treated like humans," said Costas Andrianopoulos, 32, who works at the National theatre.
"They cut our wages and our pensions and we took it. But I don't believe any more that any of this is for the good of the country. We'll be sacrificed for nothing. We can't avoid default, We have no hope."
The conservative opposition, which has a slim lead over Prime Minister George Papandreou's Socialists in opinion polls and has called for snap elections, maintained its refusal to cooperate with the government, which has irked EU leaders.
TROIKA TO ATHENS NEXT WEEK
"The euro zone's leading nations are nervous and are taking it out on us," Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said on Thursday, pursuing a familiar line that Greece is being made into a scapegoat for wider problems. "We must fully honour our obligations so that no pretexts can be used (against us)."
The country remains bitterly divided between private sector workers who say a bloated state bureaucracy is strangling Greeks and public servants who say the biggest problems are political corruption and tax evasion.
The new measures followed warnings from the EU and IMF inspectors that Greece must stop missing the targets of its five-year bailout plan or miss the 8-billion-euro ($11 billion) aid tranche it needs to pay salaries next month.
After more than a year of Greece consistently falling behind on its commitments, the head of an EU taskforce helping Athens said on Thursday he now saw a greater willingness by Greek officials to put the reforms in place. (news)
But troika officials, wary of Greek government inertia, will be closely scrutinising the latest proposals to see if they are sufficient to plug fiscal gaps and can be implemented swiftly, ahead of meetings between Venizelos and finance ministers and senior IMF officials in Washington this week.
Government officials expected the measures to be passed by parliament in the next two to three weeks after they have been discussed with the troika team which is expected to return to Athens early next week to complete their review.
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Merkel needs own majority in EFSF vote -coalition ally
Reuters - 22/09/2011 15:13:37
KLOSTER BANZ, Germany, Sept 22 (Reuters) -
German Chancellor Angela Merkel must convince a majority of lawmakers from her own coalition to back next week's crunch vote on the euro zone bailout fund, rather than rely on opposition support, the head of one of her coalition parties said on Thursday.
"A majority from the Chancellor's ranks is not needed constitutionally but politically," Horst Seehofer, head of the Christian Social Union (CSU), said after a party meeting in its home state of Bavaria. The CSU is the Bavarian sister party of Merkel's Christian Democrats.
"If a majority from her own coalition parties is not forthcoming, then there is room for interpretation," Seehofer said, adding he would prefer to avoid such an outcome.
Merkel looks sure to win the Sept. 29 vote on the European Financial Stability Facility because opposition parties support the bill, designed to give the EFSF more powers after an agreement by EU leaders in July.
However, her job could be on the line if she has to rely on the opposition and fails to persuade rebels from her conservative camp and the Free Democrats (FDP), her junior coalition partners.
Opposition parties have said Merkel would be finished politically if that were the case and have threatened to call for fresh elections. If that happened, the ensuing uncertainty would send shockwaves through the euro zone as it tries to tackle its debt crisis.
Most leading members of her coalition have said they are sure of passing the legislation without relying on opposition votes, but Seehofer said the coalition had to work hard to make sure of that.
Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, a member of Merkel's Christian Democrats, has cast doubt on whether the coalition will muster sufficient votes from its own ranks.
In an interview on Wednesday, he said Merkel's government would survive even it had to rely on opposition votes, comments widely interpreted in the German media as raising uncertainty about the majority. (news)
Seehofer, who has to cater to his more euro-sceptic supporters in Bavaria, has even left open the possibility of Greece leaving the euro zone.
The draft law on the EFSF has been amended to take account of a Constitutional Court ruling earlier this month which demanded a bigger say for parliament in granting aid in future.
Several of Germany's 16 federal states also want to be more involved in decisions on aid to euro zone countries. They are demanding the Bundesrat upper house, in which they are represented, is informed as early as possible about planned decisions on bailouts by the EFSF.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel must convince a majority of lawmakers from her own coalition to back next week's crunch vote on the euro zone bailout fund, rather than rely on opposition support, the head of one of her coalition parties said on Thursday.
"A majority from the Chancellor's ranks is not needed constitutionally but politically," Horst Seehofer, head of the Christian Social Union (CSU), said after a party meeting in its home state of Bavaria. The CSU is the Bavarian sister party of Merkel's Christian Democrats.
"If a majority from her own coalition parties is not forthcoming, then there is room for interpretation," Seehofer said, adding he would prefer to avoid such an outcome.
Merkel looks sure to win the Sept. 29 vote on the European Financial Stability Facility because opposition parties support the bill, designed to give the EFSF more powers after an agreement by EU leaders in July.
However, her job could be on the line if she has to rely on the opposition and fails to persuade rebels from her conservative camp and the Free Democrats (FDP), her junior coalition partners.
Opposition parties have said Merkel would be finished politically if that were the case and have threatened to call for fresh elections. If that happened, the ensuing uncertainty would send shockwaves through the euro zone as it tries to tackle its debt crisis.
Most leading members of her coalition have said they are sure of passing the legislation without relying on opposition votes, but Seehofer said the coalition had to work hard to make sure of that.
Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, a member of Merkel's Christian Democrats, has cast doubt on whether the coalition will muster sufficient votes from its own ranks.
In an interview on Wednesday, he said Merkel's government would survive even it had to rely on opposition votes, comments widely interpreted in the German media as raising uncertainty about the majority. (news)
Seehofer, who has to cater to his more euro-sceptic supporters in Bavaria, has even left open the possibility of Greece leaving the euro zone.
The draft law on the EFSF has been amended to take account of a Constitutional Court ruling earlier this month which demanded a bigger say for parliament in granting aid in future.
Several of Germany's 16 federal states also want to be more involved in decisions on aid to euro zone countries. They are demanding the Bundesrat upper house, in which they are represented, is informed as early as possible about planned decisions on bailouts by the EFSF.
robinson
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grazie Nobody!
Intanto:
14:48 Geithner: "Crisi Europa è maggiore della Grecia" 15 –La crisi europea è "maggiore della Grecia". Lo afferma il segretario al Tesoro, Timothy Geithner che, citando la cancelliera tedesca Angela Merkel, afferma che la Grecia non sarà una nuova Lehman Brothers.
Intanto:
14:48 Geithner: "Crisi Europa è maggiore della Grecia" 15 –La crisi europea è "maggiore della Grecia". Lo afferma il segretario al Tesoro, Timothy Geithner che, citando la cancelliera tedesca Angela Merkel, afferma che la Grecia non sarà una nuova Lehman Brothers.
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