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Omero

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tutto giusto...
pero tieni conto che le due sono emissioni abbastanza contenute...
e che per un discorso di immagine (dietro c'è sempre unicredito) potrebbe essere piu economico callare e riemettere che non callare e basta... fossero emissioni da 1 mld l'una allora la parte economica andrebbe ad incidere molto, ma cosi... insomma qualche speranza c'è ancora! ;)

Penso che di reputaizoni da difendere ormai ce ne siano ben poche in giro.
Se non ricordo male UCG ha già fatto opa piuttosto che call su HVB.

comunque ai prezzi a cui siamo entrati su BACA penso che sia difficile rimaere scontentati da una delle due opzioni call/OPA
 

Zorba

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Ipotesi call BA.CA

Se così fosse , seguendo un semplice ragionamento di pura economia , sarebbe da folli callare un irs nel 2011 per emettere un nuovo tier 1 con cedole 3 volte superiori......troppo antieconomico per essere attuato....sarebbe invece diverso se facessero una OPA o qualcosa di simile a 70...se poi vogliono fare i generosi per il loro buon nome arrriverebbero vicino agli 80..quindi con un buon utile...ecco che in questo modo economicamente l'operazione sta in piedi.......francamente in questo caso non credo basti la motivazione " della buona reputazione" per fare una call a 100 di un irs tier 1..........parere puramente personale

non so... cmq il gruppo UCG ha 2.1 bln di lt2 che costano eur3+0.noccioline e che hanno la call 2011. Se callano quelle...
 

Zorba

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Penso che di reputaizoni da difendere ormai ce ne siano ben poche in giro.
Se non ricordo male UCG ha già fatto opa piuttosto che call su HVB.

comunque ai prezzi a cui siamo entrati su BACA penso che sia difficile rimaere scontentati da una delle due opzioni call/OPA

Mi sembra prima opa e poi call. Ucg ha callato tutti i T1
 

maxinblack

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Visto che vi lamentate che ormai rovistiamo solo fra la spazzatura vi volevo proporre questa corporate:

ENDESA tasso 3,94% quota 73,75 quanto rende?

La ditta la conoscete gia e' in pratica L'ENEL spagnola quindi settore difensivo e anticiclico lontani da banche decotte e affini

Inoltre nel grafico a 10 anni si vede che ha toccato i minimi a 70 e orae' risalita un po' che ne dite?
 

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Rottweiler

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Collocato al 7,8% :)eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:), coperto 11 :)eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:) volte.


Pompa-pompa ;)


Un commento FT alla notizia postata da Amorgos:


Credit Suisse cocos issue deluged

By Jennifer Hughes in London
Published: February 17 2011 18:59 | Last updated: February 17 2011 18:59
Investors rushed to take up the benchmark issue by Credit Suisse of a new financial instrument hailed by regulators as a key tool for rebuilding the capital strength of banks, placing orders of $22bn – 11 times the $2bn on offer.

The deluge of orders represented a big vote of confidence in the nascent market for contingent capital bonds, dubbed cocos.


Priced with an interest rate of 7.875 per cent, the sale is likely to spur other banks to consider cocos, a hybrid form of capital where the notes rank above equity but below debt.

They are designed to convert into stock at a preset level of financial stress, delivering a capital boost to a struggling bank.

“This deal sends a really good signal to other banks of Credit Suisse’s quality,” a rival banker said.

Credit Suisse’s sale was considered a key test of market sentiment, since it was the first listed bank to offer the bonds in a standalone sale.

The other banks to have so far sold cocos are Rabobank, the Dutch mutual, which issued $2bn of cocos last month, and Lloyds Banking Group, which swapped £7.5bn ($12.1bn) for existing debt.

Barclays has considered issuing them, but has not obtained regulatory approval yet.

Only Swiss regulators have so far demanded their biggest banks issue cocos, but their counterparts across Europe are also looking closely at the role the bonds might play.

Brady Dougan, Credit Suisse’s chief executive, said: “We have, for some time now, supported the advent of contingent capital in Switzerland and we are pleased to contribute in this practical way to international debate on its role and feasibility.”

Asset managers took about two-thirds of Credit Suisse’s cocos, while private banks took a third on behalf of their clients. A total of 550 different investors – an unusually large number – put in orders for the bonds. The strong demand from asset managers was particularly important since they will form the backbone of any sustainable market for the products.

Credit Suisse’s deal was helped by the fact the bank anchored its coco deal by simultaneously announcing a agreement to swap $6.2bn of its existing hybrid debt for cocos - covering in one go about half the total cocos the bank needs to issue.

Credit Suisse shares closed 1.1 per cent higher at SFr44.64.
 

Rottweiler

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Ancora sul Coco bond da 7,875% di Credit Suisse in USD: è un LT2

La notizia pubblicata da svariati organi di informazione su questa emissione ha sottolineato l'appartenenza alla nuova famiglia dei CoCo bonds. Non si è invece messo in evidenza che si tratta di un T2 (il mio titolo è sbagliato, visto che d'ora in avanti non ci saranno più LT2 e UT2, ma solo T2), il primo che mi risulti emesso secondo la formula CoCo.
Sarà interessante leggere il prospetto per iniziare a familiarizzarci con questi nuovi strumenti.
Tra l'altro, la valuta è l'USD.
Ecco il press release di Credit Suisse:


Credit Suisse Group places 7.875% Tier 2 Buffer Capital Notes
Zurich, February 17, 2011

Credit Suisse Group today placed a 'Regulation S-only' issue of USD 2 billion 7.875% Tier 2 Buffer Capital Notes due 2041 (Tier 2 BCNs). The Tier 2 BCNs will be issued by Credit Suisse Group (Guernsey) I Limited, and guaranteed on a subordinated basis by Credit Suisse Group.

The Tier 2 BCNs are high-trigger contingent capital, expected to count towards the capital buffer that will be required of large Swiss banks under proposed Swiss capital adequacy regulations. Credit Suisse Group worked closely with its primary regulator, FINMA, and the Swiss National Bank to agree the terms of the BCNs. Together with the forward private placement of Tier 1 BCNs to Qatar Holding LLC and The Olayan Group that was announced on February 14, 2011, this Tier 2 BCN offering means that Credit Suisse Group has already secured more than 70% of its maximum potential issuance of high-trigger contingent capital suggested under the proposed Swiss regulations.

The Tier 2 BCNs were offered on a ‘Regulation S-only’ basis outside the US and other restricted jurisdictions in a minimum denomination of USD 100,000. The USD 2 billion Tier 2 BCNs will initially carry a coupon rate of 7.875% per annum. Further key terms are summarized below.

Commenting on the issue of Tier 2 BCNs, Brady W. Dougan, Chief Executive Officer of Credit Suisse Group, said: “We are pleased to have successfully completed this next step in our capital plan to transition to the new Swiss regulatory standards well ahead of time. We have, for some time now, supported the advent of contingent capital in Switzerland and we are pleased to contribute in this practical way to international debate on its role and feasibility.”

Key terms
The Tier 2 BCNs are subordinated notes with a 30-year maturity and may be redeemed by the issuer at any time from August 2016. The initial coupon is reset every five years from August 2016. Interest payments will not be discretionary or deferrable. The BCNs will be converted into Credit Suisse Group ordinary shares if the Group’s reported consolidated risk-based capital ratio, at the end of any calendar quarter, is below 7%. The BCNs will also be converted if FINMA determines that Credit Suisse Group requires public sector support to prevent it from becoming insolvent, bankrupt or unable to pay a material amount of its debts, or other similar circumstances. If converted, the BCNs will convert into Credit Suisse Group ordinary shares at their prevailing market price over a 30-day period preceding the notice of conversion, subject to a minimum price of USD 20. The Tier 2 BCNs are expected to carry a rating of ‘BBB+’ from Fitch Ratings and to be listed on the Euro-MTF exchange.
 

Léon D.

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La notizia pubblicata da svariati organi di informazione su questa emissione ha sottolineato l'appartenenza alla nuova famiglia dei CoCo bonds. Non si è invece messo in evidenza che si tratta di un T2 (il mio titolo è sbagliato, visto che d'ora in avanti non ci saranno più LT2 e UT2, ma solo T2), ... Interest payments will not be discretionary or deferrable. ...
In realtà, al di la delle etichette, mi sembra assomiglino molto a dei lt2, o no?
 
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