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karl
M.A.S.
Meccanismo del default Ecuador ?
Molto semplice hanno dichiarato che il debito era illegittimo e hanno pagato il 35% del nominale cash.
Direi che è stato il peggiore di quelli che conosco.
tommy271
Forumer storico
Forse fai prima a vendere e riacquistare su un altro conto.
Dipenderà molto poi dalla data che utilizzeranno come spartiacque: 31 dicembre o 31 gennaio 2012?
Ad ogni modo ripeto che si tratta di rumors.
Prima Banking News e questa mattina Sallas della Banca del Pireo.
Potremmo metterli insieme e fare 1 + 1, ma sia chiaro che non c'è nulla ...
tommy271
Forumer storico
A quanto pare poi l'Equador non ha defaultato ... si è limitato a rastrellare i bond in svendita sui book di mezzo mondo minacciando il default.
Onestamente però devo studiarmi bene la questione.
Se c'è qualcuno più "ferrato" potrà illustrarci meglio la vicenda.
Forse "Carib" che è in Sudamerica ...
tommy271
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Bce:depositi banche al top giugno 2010
Dopo assegnazione 490 mld maxi-asta straordinaria Francoforte
(ANSA) - ROMA, 23 DIC - Netto rialzo dei depositi overnight delle banche presso la Bce che hanno raggiunto i massimi da giugno 2010. Gli istituti dell'eurozona hanno parcheggiato all'istituto di Francoforte 347 miliardi di euro ieri - contro i 265 miliardi del giorno prima - dopo l'assegnazione dei fondi della maxi-asta di rifinanziamento Bce a tre anni da 490 miliardi. La Bce ha anche comunicato che i prestiti overnight sono diminuiti a 6,3 miliardi dai 7,5 del giorno precedente.
Dopo assegnazione 490 mld maxi-asta straordinaria Francoforte
(ANSA) - ROMA, 23 DIC - Netto rialzo dei depositi overnight delle banche presso la Bce che hanno raggiunto i massimi da giugno 2010. Gli istituti dell'eurozona hanno parcheggiato all'istituto di Francoforte 347 miliardi di euro ieri - contro i 265 miliardi del giorno prima - dopo l'assegnazione dei fondi della maxi-asta di rifinanziamento Bce a tre anni da 490 miliardi. La Bce ha anche comunicato che i prestiti overnight sono diminuiti a 6,3 miliardi dai 7,5 del giorno precedente.
tommy271
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Felix Salmon
A slice of lime in the soda
Lessons from Ecuador’s bond default
May 29, 2009 17:05 EDT
EMTA, formerly the Emerging Markets Traders Association, had an interesting panel on the Ecuador default today. It was a bit lopsided: no one on the debtor side — and EMTA invited the country’s own representatives, as well as its lawyers and bankers, and even the US Treasury — would agree to attend. As such, it was really a panel of private-sector participants, and felt much like a wake: it was clear that with the success of Ecuador’s exchange offer, the country has won and the private sector has lost.
In the long term, of course, Ecuador might not have benefitted all that much from its antics: Erich Arispe, of Fitch Ratings, pointed out that the country is paying out much more in cash payments for its bonds than it would have had to pay over the next couple of years in coupon payments. On top of that, Ecuador is racking up lots of new debt to multilateral institutions like the Andean Development Fund and the Inter-American Development Bank, so even its fiscal position isn’t really improving.
But in the short term, Ecuador has elegantly managed to buy back a very large chunk of its debt at just 35 cents on the dollar. Old Ecuador hand Hans Humes, of Greylock Capital, summed up how spectacularly successful the Ecuador strategy was, calling it “one of the most elegant restructurings that I’ve seen”.
In hindsight, the deal could hardly have been done any better. First and most important was the matter of timing: as all the panelists agreed, there’s no way that Ecuador could have pulled this stunt in 2006 or even the first half of 2007. But the country was playing the long game: president Rafael Correa was elected president, on a platform which included debt repudiation, in January 2007; Ecuador’s clear intention to default on its debt earned it a pretty much immediate CCC rating from Fitch. Yet the default didn’t happen until December 2008, almost two full years after Correa’s election.
The wait turned out to be the best thing that Ecuador could have done, because in the interim the global debt markets were plunged into turmoil. And Correa didn’t pull the trigger until he could see the whites of his opponents eyes: he announced that he was defaulting on the 2012 global bonds at exactly the time that three huge hedge funds, which held Ecuador’s debt, were being forced by their prime brokers to liquidate their holdings. As a result, the selling pressure on Ecuadorean bonds sent them tumbling from the 70s to the 20s almost overnight.
They would have fallen further, into the waiting arms of a small army of hungry vulture funds eager to get back into the distressed-debt game after many years essentially being priced out of it. But then Ecuador pulled its next smart stunt: it used Banco del Pacifico, a large Ecuadorean bank, to start buying bonds at levels above 20 cents on the dollar. That was just high enough that the vultures didn’t want to amass a large position, and ensured that any future restructuring would face little organized opposition just because Ecuador’s bondholders were so fragmented.
Ecuador’s next clever step was to pay cash for its defaulted bonds, rather than trying to do a bond exchange. That meant that it didn’t need to go through a laborious SEC registration process, during which the legality of the Banco Pacifico stunt would surely have been questioned. And its final clever step was not to put forward a take-it-or-leave-it offer, as Argentina did, which would allow bondholders to agitate for a mass “no” vote. Instead, they just asked bondholders to name their price.
Of course that’s what the bondholders did. None of them wanted to be left as holdouts, given the ease with which Ecuador could change the covenants on the bonds, and also the fact that they hadn’t even managed to accelerate the 2030 global bonds by the time the default happened.
Joe Kogan of Barclays Capital said that bondholders’ inability to accelerate the 30s doesn’t just show a collective action problem. “It demonstrates that people weren’t really willing to hold on to the bonds, and that the original investors who had these bonds were trying to get rid of them,” he said: no one, in the present environment, had any appetite at all for litigation which could drag out for years.
No one expected Ecuador to pull this particular rabbit out of the hat. The country has a reputation for utter incompetence when it comes to fiscal matters, and a few months ago it fired its highly-respected and long-standing legal counsel, Cleary Gottlieb. Somehow, however, this exchange offer was probably the most successful and least fraught debt restructuring in the history of Latin American sovereign defaults.
The multilaterals played their part, by condoning Ecuador’s actions and basically taking its side, despite the fact that the country had no fiscal need to default. And Argentina, weirdly, helped too: holdouts there have got very little to show for their litigation to date, and indeed Argentina was found in contempt of court in New York this week for basically ignoring a judge’s orders to keep certain funds in the US. It was a legal victory for bondholders, but won’t help them get any richer.
And of course it also helped that Ecuador was so small. Even with the bonds at par, they accounted for only about 0.5% of the emerging-market index, which means that at this year’s prices Ecuador constituted about one quarter of one percent of a diversified EM portfolio. You could fight them, but when your portfolio is down 20% for other reasons, what’s the point.
Kogan was sanguine on the question of whether Ecuador’s default would spill over into other emerging-market sovereigns.
Most countries with bonds outstanding have some kind of access to the bond market, he pointed out; Ecuador hasn’t been able to issue debt in years, so losing access was no big deal for Ecuador, as it would be for most other countries. Ecuador also isn’t going to suffer as much in terms of economic costs as other countries might — its corporations aren’t going to lose bond-market access either (because they never had access) and it’s not going to suffer a bout of hyperinflation, because it’s dollarized. And although the last Ecuadorean president to default did immediately get kicked out of office, this one was re-elected comfortably, so there aren’t the kind of political costs that you’d expect in other countries. The only real new costs to Ecuador might come in a few years, if holdouts manage to attach Ecuador’s oil exports in one way or another — but given the success of the exchange offer, there probably won’t be any holdouts, or Ecuador could continue to pay them their coupons, just as it’s continuing to pay the coupons on its old Brady bonds which weren’t tendered into the 2000 exchange.
Hans Humes, however, was more worried about Ecuador setting a precedent. “As much as we can say this is an outlier, any country which runs into trouble has a great blueprint now of how to do it,” he said. The last time Ecuador defaulted, it was reasonably constructive, at least in hindsight: it hired Cleary Gottlieb, a big financial-markets law firm, it entered into dialogue with creditors including the Dart family, and it was criticized in some quarters for paying too much to bondholders rather than too little. No one can accuse it of that this time around.
“The world has changed,” said Humes — we’re now living in a world where not only Ecuador can default, but Iceland can default as well. And that’s a world where defaults by small emerging-market countries simply don’t have the systemic consequences that everybody thought they might have. I even heard Humes say something I never thought I’d hear a died-in-the-wool buy-sider like him say: “Maybe,” he said, the solution to “go back to Anne Krueger’s model”
He was referring to SDRM, the attempt by then IMF first deputy managing director Anne Krueger to create a sovereign bankruptcy court. Not a single private-sector player thought this was a good idea, as far as I could tell, and certainly no one on the buy side had any time for the idea. But now, it’s clearly better than nothing — and nothing is what bondholders are ending up with these days. “The official sector’s already beaten us,” said Humes. If you’re going to capitulate to Ecuador, then capitulating to the IMF is easy in comparison.
***
OT.
A slice of lime in the soda
Lessons from Ecuador’s bond default
May 29, 2009 17:05 EDT
EMTA, formerly the Emerging Markets Traders Association, had an interesting panel on the Ecuador default today. It was a bit lopsided: no one on the debtor side — and EMTA invited the country’s own representatives, as well as its lawyers and bankers, and even the US Treasury — would agree to attend. As such, it was really a panel of private-sector participants, and felt much like a wake: it was clear that with the success of Ecuador’s exchange offer, the country has won and the private sector has lost.
In the long term, of course, Ecuador might not have benefitted all that much from its antics: Erich Arispe, of Fitch Ratings, pointed out that the country is paying out much more in cash payments for its bonds than it would have had to pay over the next couple of years in coupon payments. On top of that, Ecuador is racking up lots of new debt to multilateral institutions like the Andean Development Fund and the Inter-American Development Bank, so even its fiscal position isn’t really improving.
But in the short term, Ecuador has elegantly managed to buy back a very large chunk of its debt at just 35 cents on the dollar. Old Ecuador hand Hans Humes, of Greylock Capital, summed up how spectacularly successful the Ecuador strategy was, calling it “one of the most elegant restructurings that I’ve seen”.
In hindsight, the deal could hardly have been done any better. First and most important was the matter of timing: as all the panelists agreed, there’s no way that Ecuador could have pulled this stunt in 2006 or even the first half of 2007. But the country was playing the long game: president Rafael Correa was elected president, on a platform which included debt repudiation, in January 2007; Ecuador’s clear intention to default on its debt earned it a pretty much immediate CCC rating from Fitch. Yet the default didn’t happen until December 2008, almost two full years after Correa’s election.
The wait turned out to be the best thing that Ecuador could have done, because in the interim the global debt markets were plunged into turmoil. And Correa didn’t pull the trigger until he could see the whites of his opponents eyes: he announced that he was defaulting on the 2012 global bonds at exactly the time that three huge hedge funds, which held Ecuador’s debt, were being forced by their prime brokers to liquidate their holdings. As a result, the selling pressure on Ecuadorean bonds sent them tumbling from the 70s to the 20s almost overnight.
They would have fallen further, into the waiting arms of a small army of hungry vulture funds eager to get back into the distressed-debt game after many years essentially being priced out of it. But then Ecuador pulled its next smart stunt: it used Banco del Pacifico, a large Ecuadorean bank, to start buying bonds at levels above 20 cents on the dollar. That was just high enough that the vultures didn’t want to amass a large position, and ensured that any future restructuring would face little organized opposition just because Ecuador’s bondholders were so fragmented.
Ecuador’s next clever step was to pay cash for its defaulted bonds, rather than trying to do a bond exchange. That meant that it didn’t need to go through a laborious SEC registration process, during which the legality of the Banco Pacifico stunt would surely have been questioned. And its final clever step was not to put forward a take-it-or-leave-it offer, as Argentina did, which would allow bondholders to agitate for a mass “no” vote. Instead, they just asked bondholders to name their price.
Of course that’s what the bondholders did. None of them wanted to be left as holdouts, given the ease with which Ecuador could change the covenants on the bonds, and also the fact that they hadn’t even managed to accelerate the 2030 global bonds by the time the default happened.
Joe Kogan of Barclays Capital said that bondholders’ inability to accelerate the 30s doesn’t just show a collective action problem. “It demonstrates that people weren’t really willing to hold on to the bonds, and that the original investors who had these bonds were trying to get rid of them,” he said: no one, in the present environment, had any appetite at all for litigation which could drag out for years.
No one expected Ecuador to pull this particular rabbit out of the hat. The country has a reputation for utter incompetence when it comes to fiscal matters, and a few months ago it fired its highly-respected and long-standing legal counsel, Cleary Gottlieb. Somehow, however, this exchange offer was probably the most successful and least fraught debt restructuring in the history of Latin American sovereign defaults.
The multilaterals played their part, by condoning Ecuador’s actions and basically taking its side, despite the fact that the country had no fiscal need to default. And Argentina, weirdly, helped too: holdouts there have got very little to show for their litigation to date, and indeed Argentina was found in contempt of court in New York this week for basically ignoring a judge’s orders to keep certain funds in the US. It was a legal victory for bondholders, but won’t help them get any richer.
And of course it also helped that Ecuador was so small. Even with the bonds at par, they accounted for only about 0.5% of the emerging-market index, which means that at this year’s prices Ecuador constituted about one quarter of one percent of a diversified EM portfolio. You could fight them, but when your portfolio is down 20% for other reasons, what’s the point.
Kogan was sanguine on the question of whether Ecuador’s default would spill over into other emerging-market sovereigns.
Most countries with bonds outstanding have some kind of access to the bond market, he pointed out; Ecuador hasn’t been able to issue debt in years, so losing access was no big deal for Ecuador, as it would be for most other countries. Ecuador also isn’t going to suffer as much in terms of economic costs as other countries might — its corporations aren’t going to lose bond-market access either (because they never had access) and it’s not going to suffer a bout of hyperinflation, because it’s dollarized. And although the last Ecuadorean president to default did immediately get kicked out of office, this one was re-elected comfortably, so there aren’t the kind of political costs that you’d expect in other countries. The only real new costs to Ecuador might come in a few years, if holdouts manage to attach Ecuador’s oil exports in one way or another — but given the success of the exchange offer, there probably won’t be any holdouts, or Ecuador could continue to pay them their coupons, just as it’s continuing to pay the coupons on its old Brady bonds which weren’t tendered into the 2000 exchange.
Hans Humes, however, was more worried about Ecuador setting a precedent. “As much as we can say this is an outlier, any country which runs into trouble has a great blueprint now of how to do it,” he said. The last time Ecuador defaulted, it was reasonably constructive, at least in hindsight: it hired Cleary Gottlieb, a big financial-markets law firm, it entered into dialogue with creditors including the Dart family, and it was criticized in some quarters for paying too much to bondholders rather than too little. No one can accuse it of that this time around.
“The world has changed,” said Humes — we’re now living in a world where not only Ecuador can default, but Iceland can default as well. And that’s a world where defaults by small emerging-market countries simply don’t have the systemic consequences that everybody thought they might have. I even heard Humes say something I never thought I’d hear a died-in-the-wool buy-sider like him say: “Maybe,” he said, the solution to “go back to Anne Krueger’s model”
He was referring to SDRM, the attempt by then IMF first deputy managing director Anne Krueger to create a sovereign bankruptcy court. Not a single private-sector player thought this was a good idea, as far as I could tell, and certainly no one on the buy side had any time for the idea. But now, it’s clearly better than nothing — and nothing is what bondholders are ending up with these days. “The official sector’s already beaten us,” said Humes. If you’re going to capitulate to Ecuador, then capitulating to the IMF is easy in comparison.
***
OT.
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karl
M.A.S.
L'Ecuador non ha dichiarato default, ha detto che due bond che erano stati emessi in precedenza come swap per un default erano stati estorti e quindi illegali e ha liquidato tutti i bond in questione con un pagamento cash del 35%; non ha pagato le cedole scadute
Per il solo Isin XS0115743519, in caso di partecipazione
all'evento di dichiarazione di default con cui si richiedeva
che il prestito obbligazionario fosse dichiarato
immediatamente liquido ed esigibile ("due and payable"),
l'adesione alla presente offerta sarà necessariamente
accompagnata dalla cancellazione di eventuali istruzioni di
partecipazione al precedente evento. In caso di non
accettazione della richiesta di adesione alla presente
offerta, le istruzioni all'evento di dichiarazione di
default cancellate, saranno inserite nuovamente dallo
scrivente ufficio.
Per l'isin XS0115748401, in caso di adesione al citato
evento di default, non è richiesta alcuna cancellazione in
quanto lo stesso è stato dichiarato immediatamente liquido
ed esigibile ("due and payable")
e ha dichiarato :
L'offerente non ha intenzione di procedere al pagamento
del capitale e degli interessi, sia passati che futuri,
relativamente alle Obbligazioni ancora in circolazione,
una volta conclusa l'Offerta di Acquisto. Pertanto,
l'Obbligazionista che decida di non conferire le proprie
Obbligazioni in adesione all'Offerta di Acquisto non
potrà fare affidamento sulla possibilità di ricevere in
futuro alcun pagamento relativo alle Obbligazioni rimaste
in suo possesso.
tommy271
Forumer storico
Grazie Karl, come ho postato sopra (lo scritto di Felix Salmon) la questione è lunga e particolarmene complessa.
Senz'altro pregnante di spunti per noi Gigibeisti...
StockExchange
Forumer storico
Beh dai più o meno come il Private Sector Involvement (+) greco.
Tutto su base rigorosamente "volontaria"
russiabond
Il mito, la leggenda.
...Ciao fratello ...questa è la terza volta e credo l'ultima che mi ci ficco nella CACCA ....
la differenza è che io poi la prendo sempre bene ...non faccio altro che cambiare abitudini di vita ...
credo che farò molta pulizia ...nel 2012 se dovesse verificarsi il credit event...
anno nuovo vita nuova ...
io ci sono abituato a "saltare" potrei andare a vivere allora in Australia
...probabilmente seguirà il classico ...abbandono dei 3ead finanziari...
poi tolgo la parola finanza e speculazione dai miei interessi ...
a volte temo proprio di andare a cercarmele per forza ...se non mi fumo tutto non sono contento ...
quando sono pulito e leggero ...mi sento meglio
ma lasciami godere ...questi ultimi giorni di illusione ..."troppo belli"....
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