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Zorba

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Commerz Bank

Magari toppo clamorosamente, ma ho la sensazione che il gruppo CommerzBank riprenderà presto a pagare i coupon...

14-Apr-10
09:06

Commerzbank's trust preferred holders hire Brown Rudnick to push for coupon payments

Story:

Holders of Commerzbank's (CMZB) GBP 800m 5.905% and EUR 1bn 5.012% trust
preferred securities have hired Brown Rudnick to sue the company for annual
coupon payments that were due April 12, according to a source familiar and a
trust preferred holder.

The trust preferred group currently has support from roughly 30% of the
aggregate holders of the two securities, said the source familiar and the
trust preferred holder. Before the group can direct the trust preferred's trustee,

Bank of New York, to initiate a lawsuit against Commerzbank, it needs to
represent at least 50% of each class, said the two sources. Commerzbank
Capital, the trust that issued the securities, is a Delaware-based company.
Officials with Commerzbank, Brown Rudnick, and Bank of New York did not
return calls for comment.

CMZB's EUR 1bn 5.012% trust preferred securities due 2049 were quoted at 65
today, while the GBP 800m 5.905% trust preferred securities were quoted at
64.5, according to the trust preferred holder.

Since the coupon payments are optional if the bank reports an annual net
loss like it did in FY09, CMZB announced in March that it would not pay coupons
on the Tier 1 5.012% and 5.905% trust securities. In addition, the company said
it would not pay coupons on other Tier 1 securities ahead of their 12 April
coupons, according to the company press release.

However, holders of the 5.012% and 5.905% securities are now crying foul
over CMZB's decision to effectively allow other trust preferred security holders
to skirt the provision by elevating them to Tier 2 status, said the trust
preferred holder and two analysts.

They claim CMZB elevated a privately placed JPY bond and a Dresdner Funding
USD 1bn 8.151% trust preferred security to Tier 2, or "must pay" status in March
2010. The elevation of the Dresdner security prompted S&P to upgrade it to
A- from CCC shortly afterwards.

Without the elevation, the bank's decision to make the 8.151%'s coupon
payment would have forced it to make coupon payments on all other Tier 1 optional
pay securities, including the 5.012% and 5.905% bonds, said the two analysts.
The Brown Rudnick represented group argues that Commerzbank is now obligated to
pay its coupons since they are entitled to the same treatment, said the bond
holder and the source familiar referencing the bond indenture.

Further complicating the situation, CMZB was bailed out in 2008 by
Sonderfonds Finanzmarktstabilisierung (SoFFin), the German equivalent of TARP, in the
fall of 2008, according to a company press release. SoFFin invested EUR 1.8bn
into the bank for a 25% plus 1 share stake and loaned it EUR 16.4bn at 9%
interest.
As part of the deal, CMZB cannot make acquisitions until 2012. It must
dispose of Eurohypo, and must reduce its balance sheet to EUR 600bn from EUR 1.1tn,
including the Eurohypo disposition, according to a company press release.
Furthermore, CMZB can't pay optional coupons or dividends in 2010, and can
do so in 2011 only if it is profitable in 2010.

Because SoFFin's taxpayer funded EUR 16.4bn loan will not receive a coupon
in 2010, paying coupons to institutional trust preferred security holders could
be politically troublesome, one analyst pointed out.

by Tibita Kaneene, Seth Brumby, and Irene Chapple

Source:

Debtwire
 

nik.sala

Money Never Sleeps
Magari toppo clamorosamente, ma ho la sensazione che il gruppo CommerzBank riprenderà presto a pagare i coupon...

14-Apr-10
09:06

Commerzbank's trust preferred holders hire Brown Rudnick to push for coupon payments

Story:

Holders of Commerzbank's (CMZB) GBP 800m 5.905% and EUR 1bn 5.012% trust
preferred securities have hired Brown Rudnick to sue the company for annual
coupon payments that were due April 12, according to a source familiar and a
trust preferred holder.

The trust preferred group currently has support from roughly 30% of the
aggregate holders of the two securities, said the source familiar and the
trust preferred holder. Before the group can direct the trust preferred's trustee,

Bank of New York, to initiate a lawsuit against Commerzbank, it needs to
represent at least 50% of each class, said the two sources. Commerzbank
Capital, the trust that issued the securities, is a Delaware-based company.
Officials with Commerzbank, Brown Rudnick, and Bank of New York did not
return calls for comment.

CMZB's EUR 1bn 5.012% trust preferred securities due 2049 were quoted at 65
today, while the GBP 800m 5.905% trust preferred securities were quoted at
64.5, according to the trust preferred holder.

Since the coupon payments are optional if the bank reports an annual net
loss like it did in FY09, CMZB announced in March that it would not pay coupons
on the Tier 1 5.012% and 5.905% trust securities. In addition, the company said
it would not pay coupons on other Tier 1 securities ahead of their 12 April
coupons, according to the company press release.

However, holders of the 5.012% and 5.905% securities are now crying foul
over CMZB's decision to effectively allow other trust preferred security holders
to skirt the provision by elevating them to Tier 2 status, said the trust
preferred holder and two analysts.

They claim CMZB elevated a privately placed JPY bond and a Dresdner Funding
USD 1bn 8.151% trust preferred security to Tier 2, or "must pay" status in March
2010. The elevation of the Dresdner security prompted S&P to upgrade it to
A- from CCC shortly afterwards.

Without the elevation, the bank's decision to make the 8.151%'s coupon
payment would have forced it to make coupon payments on all other Tier 1 optional
pay securities, including the 5.012% and 5.905% bonds, said the two analysts.
The Brown Rudnick represented group argues that Commerzbank is now obligated to
pay its coupons since they are entitled to the same treatment, said the bond
holder and the source familiar referencing the bond indenture.

Further complicating the situation, CMZB was bailed out in 2008 by
Sonderfonds Finanzmarktstabilisierung (SoFFin), the German equivalent of TARP, in the
fall of 2008, according to a company press release. SoFFin invested EUR 1.8bn
into the bank for a 25% plus 1 share stake and loaned it EUR 16.4bn at 9%
interest.
As part of the deal, CMZB cannot make acquisitions until 2012. It must
dispose of Eurohypo, and must reduce its balance sheet to EUR 600bn from EUR 1.1tn,
including the Eurohypo disposition, according to a company press release.
Furthermore, CMZB can't pay optional coupons or dividends in 2010, and can
do so in 2011 only if it is profitable in 2010.

Because SoFFin's taxpayer funded EUR 16.4bn loan will not receive a coupon
in 2010, paying coupons to institutional trust preferred security holders could
be politically troublesome, one analyst pointed out.

by Tibita Kaneene, Seth Brumby, and Irene Chapple

Source:

Debtwire

non dirmelo...do you remember quando volevo entrare a 50 :wall:
cmq è positivo x eurohypo :up:
 

ferdo

Utente Senior
domanda ingenua sui massimi sistemi:
per tutto il 2007 ho visto che molti (non tutti) perpetual hanno avuto un andamento descrescente in modo abbastanza lineare.
A cosa è attribuile ciò?
 

maxolone

Forumer storico
Zorba sei un granda...ma come fai a tirare fuori sta roba...:up:

Magari toppo clamorosamente, ma ho la sensazione che il gruppo CommerzBank riprenderà presto a pagare i coupon...

14-Apr-10
09:06

Commerzbank's trust preferred holders hire Brown Rudnick to push for coupon payments

Story:

Holders of Commerzbank's (CMZB) GBP 800m 5.905% and EUR 1bn 5.012% trust
preferred securities have hired Brown Rudnick to sue the company for annual
coupon payments that were due April 12, according to a source familiar and a
trust preferred holder.

The trust preferred group currently has support from roughly 30% of the
aggregate holders of the two securities, said the source familiar and the
trust preferred holder. Before the group can direct the trust preferred's trustee,

Bank of New York, to initiate a lawsuit against Commerzbank, it needs to
represent at least 50% of each class, said the two sources. Commerzbank
Capital, the trust that issued the securities, is a Delaware-based company.
Officials with Commerzbank, Brown Rudnick, and Bank of New York did not
return calls for comment.

CMZB's EUR 1bn 5.012% trust preferred securities due 2049 were quoted at 65
today, while the GBP 800m 5.905% trust preferred securities were quoted at
64.5, according to the trust preferred holder.

Since the coupon payments are optional if the bank reports an annual net
loss like it did in FY09, CMZB announced in March that it would not pay coupons
on the Tier 1 5.012% and 5.905% trust securities. In addition, the company said
it would not pay coupons on other Tier 1 securities ahead of their 12 April
coupons, according to the company press release.

However, holders of the 5.012% and 5.905% securities are now crying foul
over CMZB's decision to effectively allow other trust preferred security holders
to skirt the provision by elevating them to Tier 2 status, said the trust
preferred holder and two analysts.

They claim CMZB elevated a privately placed JPY bond and a Dresdner Funding
USD 1bn 8.151% trust preferred security to Tier 2, or "must pay" status in March
2010. The elevation of the Dresdner security prompted S&P to upgrade it to
A- from CCC shortly afterwards.

Without the elevation, the bank's decision to make the 8.151%'s coupon
payment would have forced it to make coupon payments on all other Tier 1 optional
pay securities, including the 5.012% and 5.905% bonds, said the two analysts.
The Brown Rudnick represented group argues that Commerzbank is now obligated to
pay its coupons since they are entitled to the same treatment, said the bond
holder and the source familiar referencing the bond indenture.

Further complicating the situation, CMZB was bailed out in 2008 by
Sonderfonds Finanzmarktstabilisierung (SoFFin), the German equivalent of TARP, in the
fall of 2008, according to a company press release. SoFFin invested EUR 1.8bn
into the bank for a 25% plus 1 share stake and loaned it EUR 16.4bn at 9%
interest.
As part of the deal, CMZB cannot make acquisitions until 2012. It must
dispose of Eurohypo, and must reduce its balance sheet to EUR 600bn from EUR 1.1tn,
including the Eurohypo disposition, according to a company press release.
Furthermore, CMZB can't pay optional coupons or dividends in 2010, and can
do so in 2011 only if it is profitable in 2010.

Because SoFFin's taxpayer funded EUR 16.4bn loan will not receive a coupon
in 2010, paying coupons to institutional trust preferred security holders could
be politically troublesome, one analyst pointed out.

by Tibita Kaneene, Seth Brumby, and Irene Chapple

Source:

Debtwire
 

maxolone

Forumer storico
Buddy e tra questa e SNS cosa preferisci ? A proposito quale é tra le SNS che preferisci ?

thanks
Ottima scelta per il lungo periodo!:up:

Dai un occhio anche a questa, che dovrebbe prendersi intorno a 60-62.

Bancaja XS0205497778
4,625% fino al 17.11.2014
dopo eur 3 mesi + 2,17%
cumulativa

A me piace molto.
 

maxolone

Forumer storico
Buona notte a tutti

Fra 5 ore riporta Oevag...sará una giornata di tripudio o di agonia...whatever will be I am glad I am in...
 

maxinblack

Forumer storico
Ti Confermo che è After call,quindi il Tasso rimane del 7,125% e ha Scadenza nel 2026,può essere callata ogni 31 Dicembre

Non cumulativa e Senza Loss Absortion

Da Notare che negli Ultimi tempi è sempre stata tra 19,3-20 ,tranne oggi che è scesa a 19(76%)
A me sembra ancora un buy, peccato non avere fatto tutte queste considerazioni quando la scoprii sui forum tedeschi a ottobre 2009,#6532 (permalink):wall: si poteva prendere allora ancora a 15 =60% ora a quasi 20 =80% non e' piu' molto conveniente ma il rendimento ancora discreto 10% scarso.
 

maxinblack

Forumer storico
Ho trovato anche questo LT2 il prezzo e' interessante il rendimento forse meglio mi date una mano?
 

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Zorba

Bos 4 Mod
Buddy e tra questa e SNS cosa preferisci ? A proposito quale é tra le SNS che preferisci ?

thanks

Ciao Maxolone,

Ho una leggera preferenza per Bancaja: ha più chances di capital gain IMHO. Call più vicina (poi Bancaja non ha fatto nessuna rimostranza a Basilea sul grand fathering...).

Tra le 2 SNS, adesso preferisco senza dubbio la 2017: è cumulativa (mentre la 2019 non è cum) e ha maggiori chances di K gain (prezza 71 vs 103). Tieni conto che in questo momento il mercato sembra prezzare le due SNS come se non dovessero pagare la cedola 2010: se così fosse, la 2017 differirebbe solo la cedola (è cumulativa e sugli interessi non pagati maturano nuovi interessi), mentre la 2019 la perderebbe del tutto.

I 3 titoli su cui sono sovrappesato sono (nell'ordine):
1) BACA
2) Bancaja
3) SNS 2017

PS: io ho un approccio alle P discretamente aggressivo...:D
 
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