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capt.harlock

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Uscita ricerca di una investment bank che ha valutato che la differenza tra Oevag tasso fisso e oevag cms non puó essere piú alta di 12 punti percentuali al momento. Quindi se consideriamo la tasso fisso a 61% dobbiamo parlare della tasso variabile ad un prezzo di 49% che potrebbe in effetti essere plausibilissimo nel caso di inizio conteggio rateo.
Se poi ci spingiamo a valutare che la tasso fisso potrebbe essere tutt'ora sottovalutata ed un prezzo plausibile potrebbe essere 70 a questo punto la Oevag cms potrebbe nel giro di qualche mese arrivare a quotare 58% praticamente un poco meno della Baca odierna e quindi plausibile anche questo...

a spanne direi che la differenza tra le 2 e'di un 65/70%circa ..adesso 38/61 ..se tutto dovesse andare bene la irs arriverebbe a quotare 50 punti e la tasso fisso 85.
se la irs arrivasse nel tempo, con un bilancio piu'solido a 60 la t.f. andrebbe a 100
se poi fanno un' opa i conti saltano:D:D:D
 

zeta59

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Prezzi IW

BPCE 269 99,5 / 100
SNS 523 101,75 / 102,5
BPVN 373 79,75 / 80
ISP 95,5 / 96,5

Scusate mi è successo questo : ieri ho chiesto le quotazioni postate sopra a IW ed oggi mi ritrovo questo addebito:
OPERAZIONI TELEFONICHE RICHIESTA QUOTAZIONI TRAMITE OPERATORE € 3,00

E' per caso capitato anche a voi ??

Mi sembrano sempre più suonati :down:
 

gionmorg

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Scusate mi è successo questo : ieri ho chiesto le quotazioni postate sopra a IW ed oggi mi ritrovo questo addebito:
OPERAZIONI TELEFONICHE RICHIESTA QUOTAZIONI TRAMITE OPERATORE € 3,00

E' per caso capitato anche a voi ??

Mi sembrano sempre più suonati :down:
Quando le hai richieste le quotazioni?
 

zeta59

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Quando le hai richieste le quotazioni?

Ieri mattina , secondo me hanno preso fischi x fiaschi , e mi hanno addebitato la richiesta come se fossero titoli quotati MOT o TLX :( , di quelli quotati sò per certo che se telefoni x chiedere l'informazione o passi l'ordine telefonico paghi la chiamata all'operatore oltre l'eseguito

Ora li chiamo e li "insulto" un poco :mad:
 

gionmorg

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Io l'ultima volta li ho sentiti l'altro ieri ma non ho nessun addebito, almeno per il momento, ma se mai ci fosse chiudo tutto
 

bosmeld

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a spanne direi che la differenza tra le 2 e'di un 65/70%circa ..adesso 38/61 ..se tutto dovesse andare bene la irs arriverebbe a quotare 50 punti e la tasso fisso 85.
se la irs arrivasse nel tempo, con un bilancio piu'solido a 60 la t.f. andrebbe a 100
se poi fanno un' opa i conti saltano:D:D:D


io anhce sto pensando che cosa potrebbe fare nel prossimo futuro.

sono un po scaramantico

ma la irs nel breve la potremmo vedere anche sopra 40.

let's see
 

bosmeld

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Irish Govt Postpones Capital Injections To 3 Banks Ahead Of Election

LONDON (Dow Jones)--Ireland's Finance Minister Brian Lenihan Wednesday said the government had postponed further capital injections into Allied Irish Banks PLC (AIB), Bank of Ireland PLC and EBS Building Society until after the Feb. 25 election to allow the new government to address the issue.
The terms of Ireland's EUR67.5 billion financial aid package from the European Union and International Monetary Fund, or IMF, stipulate the Irish government must ensure the three banks are capitalized to a level of 12% of Core Tier 1 capital by the end of February.
Lenihan said in a statement he had informed the European Commission, IMF and European Central Bank that it was the government's view that the issue should be addressed by the incoming government.
"Even without further capital injections these banks are adequately capitalized and the short delay poses no regulatory or stability issues," the statement said.
Earlier Wednesday, the IMF warned Irish banks remain under stress, while repairing the system will be difficult and could be subject to unwarranted delays as a result of general elections to be held in February.
These elections are likely to result in the formation of a new coalition government comprising the right-of-center Fine Gael party and left-of-center Labour Party. They will have to agree a common approach to cutting the budget deficit and dealing with the banks.
But the IMF acknowledged there is considerable public opposition to continuing to support the banks through fresh capital injections and maintaining a government guarantee on their bond debts.
"The public response to the program has remained favorable, but a lingering domestic perception of inequitable burden sharing persists," the fund said.



Irish Govt Postpones Capital Injections To 3 Banks Ahead Of Election - WSJ.com
 

Zorba

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Uscita ricerca di una investment bank che ha valutato che la differenza tra Oevag tasso fisso e oevag cms non puó essere piú alta di 12 punti percentuali al momento. Quindi se consideriamo la tasso fisso a 61% dobbiamo parlare della tasso variabile ad un prezzo di 49% che potrebbe in effetti essere plausibilissimo nel caso di inizio conteggio rateo.
Se poi ci spingiamo a valutare che la tasso fisso potrebbe essere tutt'ora sottovalutata ed un prezzo plausibile potrebbe essere 70 a questo punto la Oevag cms potrebbe nel giro di qualche mese arrivare a quotare 58% praticamente un poco meno della Baca odierna e quindi plausibile anche questo...

cercando sui siti tedeschi ho trovato, questo report. ecco spiegato l'improvviso aumento dei prezzi.


Here is an interesting development of a large investment bank from noon today to ÖVAG Tier1 floaters.


This non-cumulative Preferred security is issued by Osterreichische Volksbanken​
This non-cumulative preferred security is issued by Osterreichische Volksbank
(VBAG Group) via the standard SPV/support agreement format.​
(VBAG Group) format via the standard SPV / support agreement.
It's a EUR 250mm​
It's a EUR 250mm
issue MUST-PAY noncumulative tier 1, Caa2 rated.​
MUST PAY issue noncumulative tier 1, Caa2 rated.
The coupon is linked to the​
The coupon is linked to the
10yr swap rate plus 10bps, capped at 9%.​
10yr swap rate plus 10bps, capped at 9%.
Triggers for coupon deferral are sufficient distributable funds and regulatory​
Triggers for coupon deferral are sufficient distributable funds and regulatory
capital ratio, ie non-discretionary coupon.​
capital ratio, ie non-discretionary coupon.
There is no writedown language.​
There is no write-down language.
The semi-annual coupon has not paid since March 2010.​
The semi-annual coupon has not paid since April 2010.

2010 FY results are due to be released in April - the 1st 3 quarters of 2010​
FY 2010 results are due to be released in April - the 1st 3 Quarters of 2010
showed a positive trend with lower provisions and €73mm PBT up to Sep2010 on a​
showed a positive trend with lower provisions and € PBT up to 73mm on a Sep2010
consolidated basis.​
consolidated basis.
On assets of €48bn VBAG Group reported a tier 1 ratio of​
On assets of € 48bn VBAG Group reported a tier 1 ratio of
9.7%.​
9.7%.
The combination with Investkredit Bank AG is expected to complete by mid-​
The combination with Invest Bank AG is expected to complete by mid-
2011.​
2011th
Mgmt target to start repaying the 1bn participation capital held by the​
Mgmt target to start Repaying the participation 1bn capital held by the
Republic of Austria from 2011 and aim to fully resume distributions on profit-​
Republic of Austria from 2011 and aim to fully resume on profit distributions
related instruments in 2012 based on 2011 fiscal year.​
related instruments in 2012 based on 2011 fiscal year.
Coupons based on 2010​
Coupons based on 2010
results are unlikely because at non-consolidated VBAG level a positive annual​
results are unlikely because at non-consolidated level VBAG a positive annual
profit was not expected.​
profit was not expected.
We​
We
expect FY results to trigger a substantial rally as coupons start getting​
expect FY results to trigger a substantial rally as coupons start getting
priced back in. Similar coupon-paying prefs trade around 55-75 range, and of​
Similar priced back in. coupon-paying prefs trade around 55-75 range, and of
course the recent rise in 10yr rates means coupons will start fixing​
course the recent rise in rates means 10yr coupons will start fixing
increasingly higher as well.​
Increasingly higher as well.
Once retail starts buying again they will quickly​
Once again they will retail buying starts quickly
ramp up.​
ramp up

Cheap on fundamental basis, what about relative value?​
Cheap on a fundamental basis, what about relative value?
The only other tier 1 that actively trades is the AUSTVB 10% 49-18s: non-​
The only other animal that one is the AUSTVB Actively trades 10% 49-18s: non-
cumulative participation capital Caa2 rated, where the Board have full​
cumulative capital participation Caa2 rated, where the Board have full
discretion over the coupon and the notes have principal writedown related to​
discretion over the coupon and the notes have principal write-down related to
profits.​
profits.
Whilst the 10% coupon is attractive (when its paying), you have​
Whilst the 10% coupon is attractive (when its paying), you have
significantly weaker protection.​
Significantly weaker protection.
Currently wrapped around 61.00 cash price.​
Currently wrapped around 61.00 cash price.
Hard to be exact, but arguably the CMS prefs should not be more than ~12-15 pts​
Hard to be exact, but arguably the CMS prefs should not be more than ~ 12-15 pts
below this after adjusting for coupon and illiquidity ie they look 10-12​
below this after adjusting for illiquidity ie coupon and they look 10-12
points cheap on rel value (especially as lower price makes tender more​
cheap points on relative value (especially as lower price makes tender more
attractive for issuer).​
attractive for issuer).

Finally, another Austrian bank Kommunalkredit tendered last Autumn for its tier​
Finally, another Austrian bank Kommunalkredit tendered last Autumn for its animal
1, and we saw Eurohypo/CMZB tendering for tier 1 last month, so at these levels​
1, and we saw € Hypo / CMZB tendering for tier 1 last month, so at these levels
there is a reasonable chance of a tender from Oevag at a good premium.​
there is a reasonable chance of a tender from DAV at a good premium.

A couple of smart-money accounts have been involved, we think we are getting to​
A couple of smart-money accounts have been involved, we think we are getting to
crunch-time in the next 2 months as the FY results provide more clarity on​
crunch-time in the next two months as the FY results Provide more clarity on



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Sì, è vero, però il report parla di una differenza prezzo di 12-15 in ottica distressed / tender offer. Se guardate, le tender offer sui distressed tipo AIB, BOI, Eurohypo prevedevano scarsa/nulla differenziazione di prezzo in funzione della caratteristica del titolo.

IMHO il rialzo di oggi è solo un riallineamento di valori tra le due, magari spinto dal recupero di interesse verso Ovag. Io ho il floater a 33 e il TF a 52. Oggi sono 38 e 61. Per cui si sono quasi riallineati.
 

Zorba

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a spanne direi che la differenza tra le 2 e'di un 65/70%circa ..adesso 38/61 ..se tutto dovesse andare bene la irs arriverebbe a quotare 50 punti e la tasso fisso 85.
se la irs arrivasse nel tempo, con un bilancio piu'solido a 60 la t.f. andrebbe a 100
se poi fanno un' opa i conti saltano:D:D:D

Per me lo spread tra le 2 potrebbe essere più basso. La TF è loss absob.
 
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