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Ciao Max,

volevo rispondere al Tuo post, visto che ho deciso di fare fuori le Alpha 3M2 (anche se in perdita) e prendere le DE000A0KAAA7.

Per poter rispondere, sto cercando di capire come funziona il taglio di nominale che in effetti avevi segnalato già nel post di novembre 2009 che Ti allego.

Domanda per tutti: se compro 20000 Euro nominali della AAA7 a 62 (per esempio), la pago senza rateo ma come se il nominale non fosse stato decurtato (quindi 20000*62%=12400 Euro) o meno (se la decurtazione è 20%--->20000*80%*62%).
Se ho ben compreso dai post precedenti dovrebbe riprendere a pagare cedole già nel 2011 e ripristinare il nominale.

Chi la segue e può illuminarmi/illuminarci?
Grazie


Penso di si,sia per il nominale che per le cedole, perche' hanno tutte e due meccanismi di "loss absorbtion" ho letto qualcosa di "ufficiale" a proposito ma non mi ricordo dove:) fra l 'altro la HT1 DE000A0KAAA7quella con garanzia Allianz sulle cedole appare sulla borsa di STUTTGART sulla lista perpetual in terza fila come se fosse senza cedola, cosa che mi insospetticse alquanto perche dovrebbe avere il 6,352% variabile:-?


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Domandone: il punto di pareggio (di rendimento) tra le 2 in oggetto è a 3,5 punti o :-?quanto:-?? YTP e YTC.
Top, Nik (domanda aperta a Tutti:)). Grazie.

Sarà che sono un pò miope , ma ho sempre preferito la 373 :)

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Bce: Trichet, attuale livello dei tassi resta appropriato
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La Bce ritiene che l'attuale livello dei tassi di rifinanziamento dell'Eurozona "resti appropriato" alla luce dello scenario economico e monetario. Lo ha detto il presidente della Bce, Jean-Claude Trichet, in conferenza stampa. Il numero uno dell'Eurotower ha osservato come la crescita economica "si è rafforzata nei mesi primaverili", ma ad un tasso di espansione "irregolare".

Potrebbe dare un'altra spinta alle P visto gli ottimi rendimenti
 
Quotazioni fresche fresche

Posto quotazioni IW appena ricevute:

Alpha DE000A0DX3M2 37 - 41 vendute in perdita di 10 punti:wall:

58-61 DE000A0KAAA7 queste appena capisco come funzionano le comprerei

Bancaja 778 illiquida

BAWAG 643 e OEVAG 897 illiquide. Scusate, ma come cacchio si fa a venderle o comprarle? Mi dicono illiquide da giorni. Qualcuno è riuscito a compravenderle con IW? Hanno 2 aste al giorno?
Ciao, grazie.
 
Banca Monte Paschi di Siena May Fail Bank Stress Test, Credit Suisse Says


Deutsche Postbank AG, Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena SpA and most of Greece’s largest lenders are the only publicly traded banks that may fail European stress tests and be forced to raise capital, Credit Suisse Group AG said.
An economic downturn combined with losses on government bonds would force Deutsche Postbank to raise 1.36 billion euros ($1.72 billion) in capital to meet Tier 1 capital requirements of 6 percent, while Banca Monte dei Paschi would need 592 million euros, Credit Suisse analysts led by Daniel Davies wrote in a note to clients today. National Bank of Greece SA, Piraeus Bank SA, Agricultural Bank of Greece SA and TT Hellenic Postbank SA would together need a total of 2.61 billion euros, it said.
“Across our coverage universe, we see little chance of any of the large non-Greek banks failing a stress test,” Credit Suisse said in the note. “Greek banks would only fail in the event of a severe haircut on their sovereign-debt holdings.”
Piraeus spokesman George Marinopoulos wasn’t immediately able to comment. Calls to National Bank, Agricultural Bank and Deutsche Postbank went unanswered and Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena declined to comment.
The tests on 91 of Europe’s banks are designed to assess how they will be able to absorb losses on loans and government bonds, the Committee of European Banking Supervisors said late yesterday. Lenders that account for 65 percent of the European Union banking industry will be tested, including 14 German banks, 27 Spanish savings banks, six Greek banks, five Italian banks, four French banks and four British banks, CEBS said.
Greek Haircut
Regulators have told lenders the assessments may assume a loss of about 17 percent on Greek government debt, 3 percent on Spanish bonds and none on German debt, said two people briefed on the talks who declined to be identified because the details are private. The results are due to be released on July 23.
Deutsche Postbank shares declined 0.6 percent to 24.54 euros at 4:51 p.m. in Frankfurt trading, while Banca Monte dei Paschi was little changed at 97 euro cents. National Bank of Greece rose 5.5 percent to 9.6 euros and Piraeus Bank gained 2.9 percent to 3.87 euros on the Athens stock exchange.
In its tests of European banks, Credit Suisse used a “comprehensive mark-to-market approach” in which it assumed that the regulators will require all sovereign-debt portfolios to be marked to the current credit default swap curve, minus 3 percent, rather than imposing “quantitative haircuts.” In a scenario only taking into account the impact of sovereign debt losses and excluding a macro-economic downturn, only Piraeus and Agricultural Bank would need to raise new capital, it said.
‘Significant Stresses’
“No bank in our coverage universe ends up requiring recapitalization to meet a 6 percent headline Tier 1 hurdle rate, except ATE and Piraeus,” Credit Suisse said. Publicly traded banks have “small enough sovereign exposure and large enough Tier 1 capital to withstand significant stresses.”
The Greek banks included in the stress tests are National Bank of Greece SA, the country’s largest lender, EFG Eurobank Ergasias SA, the second-largest, Alpha Bank SA, Piraeus, Agricultural Bank and TT Hellenic Postbank SA.
“On our calculations, Alpha Bank and Bank of Cyprus appear to be the least impacted, whereas National Bank of Greece and Piraeus could suffer the most,” HSBC Pantelakis Securities SA analyst Dimitris Haralabopoulos said in a note to clients today.
Capital Shortfall
A 17 percent haircut to the value of Greek government bonds would shave some 30 percent, or 7.5 billion euros, off the equity and capital of the Greek and Cypriot banks included in the stress tests, Haralabopoulos said. That would lead to a decline of about 3 percentage points to their Tier 1 ratio, leaving it just below 8 percent, compared with 10.7 percent in the first quarter of this year, said Haralabopoulos.
The capital shortfall resulting from such a haircut would only “be sizeable” if the banks are forced to maintain a 10 percent Tier 1 capital ratio, Haralabopoulos said. In such a scenario, the Cypriot and Greek banks included in the tests would lack as much as 5.8 billion euros in capital, he said.
“In any case the Financial Stability Fund, created as part of the 110 billion-euro European Union/International Monetary Fund bailout package for Greece, has been designed to inject up to 10 billion euros in capital to the sector, if needed,” Haralabopoulos said. “Hence the FSF would more than cover the estimated impact to our universe’s capital from the application of a 16 to 17 percent haircut to Greek government bonds.”
Tier 1 ratios measure a bank’s ability to absorb losses.
Some analysts have a more downbeat assessment of European banks’ ability to withstand losses on loans and sovereign debt.
Allied Irish
Deutsche Bank AG analyst Matt Spick in London said a number of banks, including Allied Irish Banks Plc and Bank of Ireland Plc, Germany’s Commerzbank AG, Greece’s National Bank and Eurobank and Italy’s Banca Monte dei Paschi die Siena and Banco Popolare SC may fail the European stress tests because they wouldn’t meet the required Tier 1 ratio of 6 percent.
The scenario being tested by European regulators on 91 European banks “assumes a 3 percentage point deviation of gross domestic product” for the EU compared with the European Commission’s forecasts and a “deterioration of sovereign risk” affecting government bonds, according to the CEBS statement.
“We expect most of the listed banks we cover to pass a stress test, even one that includes some sovereign default,” MF Global analysts led by Simon Maughan said in a note today, citing factors such as capital and profitability as well as sovereign debt. “Those at greatest risk of failing” include Bank of Ireland and Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria SA, they said







Se Aumentano il Capitale x Noi Obbligazionisti è solo Positivo,vediamo domani se scende.Magari Dbank si dà una Mossa Prima:-oMagari dico una Capzata ma se facessero Opa sui T1 non migliorerebbero il Tier1 Ratio?
 
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Ciao Ferd e grazie per la risposta.
Mi spieghi come funziona la storia della decurtazione del nominale.

Sono interessato ad acquistarle (e ringrazio il grande Maxinblack che le ha segnalate) e tenerle nel cassetto ma prima devo capire come inciderà il taglio del nominale. Grazie.

per me 1,5

CoBa: difficile che ripristini il nominale prima del 2012
 
Spain to Approve Cajas Regulatory Overhaul

MADRID—The Spanish government will approve Friday an overhaul of savings-bank regulations, opening the door to private ownership of the mutually owned savings banks or "cajas," Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero said Thursday.
"This is the most important reform ever of our banking system," Mr. Zapatero said at a meeting with journalists.
With close ties to local communities and often controlled by local governments, Spain's cajas have borne the brunt of the collapse of Spain's decade-long housing boom. Their fast-rising bad debt levels, combined with a lack of transparency, have stoked investor concerns and created severe financing difficulties for both the cajas and the country's listed banks.
In an effort to shore up investor confidence on EU banks, the Committee of European Banking Supervisors said late Wednesday it will test 91 EU banks for their ability to maintain solvency in the face of adverse economic and financial conditions. Spanish authorities maintain that their banking system is basically healthy and spearheaded the push for the EU-wide stress tests in order to show that. Nearly one third, or 27, of the banks to be tested are Spanish.
"The Spanish financial system has shown it's solid ... though the savings banks have shown some failings," Mr. Zapatero said.
A key weakness affecting savings banks is their lack of instruments to raise capital. Existing non-voting shares had failed to attract investor interest as they offered no means for participating in management. The reform which Mr. Zapatero's Socialist-led government has hammered out with the opposition Popular Party will attach voting rights to these shares, though it will limit them to 50% ownership of the institutions. The rest will remain in the hands of savings banks' current stakeholders, which include depositors, employees and local governments.
But the new regulations will restrict local governments by prohibiting elected officials from sitting on cajas' boards of directors and by establishing new requirements for the qualifications of those who do.
Furthermore, cajas will be able to jettison their current governance structure altogether if they want. They can seek listing through mergers and by spinning off their social and community service activities into separate foundations.

Spain to Approve Cajas Regulatory Overhaul - WSJ.com
 
DE000A0KAAA7: propetto informativo

PS: Sole, Rottweiler, Max o qualche altro buon samaritano,
come si fa a reperire il prospetto informativo?
Sul nostro listone non c'è, sul sito Commerzbank non l'ho trovato.

Grazzzzzzzzzzieeeeeeeee!

Ciao Ferd e grazie per la risposta.
Mi spieghi come funziona la storia della decurtazione del nominale.

Sono interessato ad acquistarle (e ringrazio il grande Maxinblack che le ha segnalate) e tenerle nel cassetto ma prima devo capire come inciderà il taglio del nominale. Grazie.
 
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