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Avendo un cippino della BOI XS0125611482 mi sono letto il prospetto ed ho trovato questa postilla riguardante la clausola loss absorbing o qlc del genere la posto

Non si capisce se è solo sull 'interesse o anche sul capitale.


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Ciao Signore, in realtà, non sono neanche clausole che cancellano il differimento della cedola... inquadrate nel contesto delle regole sul differimento, prevedono soltanto che, ove vi fossero stati fondi utilizzabili per il pagamento delle cedole e subentrasse nel mentre una situazione di insolvenza, le somme andrebbero destinate ad evitare l'insolvenza e quindi verrebbe meno il loro possibile impiego a pagamento del cedolare...
 
Ciao Signore, in realtà, non sono neanche clausole che cancellano il differimento della cedola... inquadrate nel contesto delle regole sul differimento, prevedono soltanto che, ove vi fossero stati fondi utilizzabili per il pagamento delle cedole e subentrasse nel mentre una situazione di insolvenza, le somme andrebbero destinate ad evitare l'insolvenza e quindi verrebbe meno il loro possibile impiego a pagamento del cedolare...

Grazie Mark
 

Grazie a te Topgun per il lavoro che stai facendo anche su queste tematiche ... :up: Colgo l'occasione per questo bond perpetual di sottolineare che ha in previsione un pagamento di tipo pay in kind (per la precisione, in titoli azionari della banca) per le cedole che debbano essere differite o che siano state differite volontariamente dalla banca (nei casi in cui ciò è consentito dall'Offering Circular).
 
Le borse salgono, scendono....falliscono???

Deutsche Borse XS0369549570

Ciao, mi sono fissato su questo bond .
Oltre alla quotazione invitante mi pare che le Borse in genere siano in questo periodo meno esposte alla crisi di altre societa' , banche per prime.
Il gruppo Deutsche Boerse fino ad oggi e' andato piuttosto bene, mi preoccupa un poco il fatto che i primi due azionisti siano hedge founds.

La cedola sara' del 7,5% fino al 2013 , dal 2013 al 2018 swap 5 Yars rate + 2,85% , dal 2018 al 2038 Euribor 12 mesi + 3,85%.
Ad una prima occhiata veloce veloce gli interessi possono essere posticipati ma non cancellati " Payments of interest which the Issuer has elected to not be due and payable will constitute Arrears of Interest. Arrears of Interest shall not themselves bear interest."
Quotazione odierna intorno a 80.
Un altro punto a favore di questo bond e' lo spread bid/ask piu' contenuto rispetto ad altri titoli.
Non ho trovato il rating ma Deutsche Borse si aspetta un rating S&P pari ad A+.

  1. Le call sono due : 2013 e 2018, dopo il 2018 ad ogni data di pagamento puo' essere esercitata la call.
  2. Se per motivi vari il bond dovesse essere rimborsato tra prima del 2018 scatta la clausola “whole-made ” .Qui chiedo aiuto perche' e' la prima volta che trovo questa clausola :mi pare di aver capito che tale clausola serve a proteggere l'obbligazionista che verrebbe danneggiato da un rimborso anticipato. Pertanto oltre al capitale dovranno essere pagati tutti gli interessi fino al 2018.Questa clausola cessa dopo il 2018 quando ogni data di stacco cedola potra' essere anche occasione di rimborso anticipato del bond.
  3. Non esiste differimento obbligatorio della cedola ma solo opzionale nel caso in cui non sia stato staccato alcun tipo di dividendo azionario o su parity e junior security.
  4. Inoltre non deve esserci stato riacquisto, acquisto o rimborso di parity o junior security dal momento dell'assemblea degli azionisti precedente alla data di pagamento degli interessi.
  5. Nel caso venga differita la cedola questa va pagata a seguito di alcuni avvenimenti (la successiva data di pagamento che non sia una data opzionale di pagamento ed altri) o comunque entro 5 anni dalla data del differimento.
  6. C'e' anche una clausola step-up in caso di un "change of control event" , non ho ancora letto di cosa si tratta ma il termine mi sembra abbastanza chiaro.
 

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Ed arrivano notizie circa l'attuazione della nazionalizzazione di Anglo Irish Bank da parte dello Stato irlandese rispetto alle preferred shares della banca da 300 mln GBP, che sono state assimilate nella legge di nazionalizzazione alle azioni ordinarie della banca, con la conseguenza che i suoi detentori sono azzerati nel capitale ed acquistano il diritto ad una compensazione che tuttavia S&P reputa sarà modesta.

Queste preferred shares passano a rating D, essendo dunque defaultate. Diversamente dagli altri perpetuals, esse prevedevano diritti di voto per i loro detentori alla stregua degli azionisti in determinate situazioni.

Gli altri perpetuals che non prevedevano analoghe prerogative per i loro detentori, restano a rating B in quanto S&P reputa molto probabile il differimento del pagamento della cedola.

Quindi alla fine il loss absorption nello strumento è stato realizzato per via legislativa, non facendo leva su clausole presenti nell'Offering Circular, ma solo per uno strumento di capitale Tier 1 ad elevata assimilazione rispetto all'equity, e non anche per gli altri perpetuals.

Anglo Irish Bank's Preference Share Ratings Lowered To 'D' Following Nationalization Bill

LONDON (Standard & Poor's) Jan. 21, 2008--Standard & Poor's Ratings Services said today that it lowered its ratings on £300 million 6.25% Tier 1 preference shares issued by Anglo Irish Bank Corp. Ltd. (previously a public limited company; A-/Watch Neg/A-1) to 'D' from 'B'. At the same time, the 'B' issue ratings on these preference shares were removed from CreditWatch, where they had been placed with negative implications on Sept. 30, 2008.

The 'B' issue ratings on Anglo's other undated perpetual instruments are unchanged.

The lowering of the ratings on the £300 million 6.25% Tier 1 preference shares to 'D' reflects their nationalization by the government of Ireland, along with all the common equity in Anglo.

The preference shares, unlike Anglo's other undated subordinated debt, carry voting rights in some circumstances and are included in the nationalization legislation approved by the Irish parliament. Nationalization of the preference shares means that the investors in the instruments suffer a loss of principal and all future coupons. They will receive compensation, but we expect this to be limited.

The 'B' issue ratings on Anglo's other undated perpetual instruments reflect our view of the increased probability of payment deferral on these instruments following Anglo's nationalization.

We note that the government in its statement announcing the nationalization of Anglo stated that Anglo would "continue to service its obligations and will repay its debts at maturity", and that this included obligations to bondholders.

Nevertheless, we consider that there is heightened payment deferral risk following the government's seizure of control of Anglo's stock. We consider it possible that the European Commission, in the course of approval of a potential state-aid package for Anglo at a future date, may prohibit Anglo from servicing its hybrid debt obligations.
 
azzz, battuto di un soffio :D

Deferral risk on Anglo Irish Tier 1 bonds - S&P

2009-01-21 14:44 (UTC)
By Natalie Harrison
LONDON, Jan 21 (Reuters) - Standard & Poor's said on Wednesday there was a risk that payment on around $2.5 billion worth of perpetual hybrid bonds issued by Anglo Irish Bank would be deferred due to possible state-aid rules.
S&P lowered its rating on Anglo Irish's undated perpetual bonds on Friday by three notches to B. That rating reflects its view that there is a greater probability of payment deferral following Anglo's nationalization last week, it said.
'We consider that there is heightened payment deferral risk following the government's seizure of control of Anglo's stock,' S&P said, despite the Irish government's statement that it would continue to service its obligations and repay Anglo Irish debts at maturity.
S&P said Anglo has five perpetual hybrid issues outstanding, including three sterling-denominated and two euro-denominated bonds, which in total amount to around $2.5 billion.
The lowest ranking Tier 1, or hybrid, bank debt have perpetual or very long maturities and its holders are last to be paid out before shareholders in the case of bankruptcy. Tier 1 also have fewer rules on coupons, meaning that interest payments can be missed.
The European Commission could prohibit Anglo Irish from servicing its hybrid debt obligations if government support is in the future perceived as coming under state aid rules, the rating agency said in a note.
In a similar case, the European Commission told BayernLB in December not to pay out any interest on a Tier 1 bond as a condition for its approval of a 10 billion euro ($14 billion) capital injection from the German State of Bavaria.
At the time, BayernLB said it was not clear yet whether it would pay out the next annual coupon payment on its Tier 1 bond -- due May 31 2009. The Commission will only allow it to pay interest if it is contractually obliged to do so, it said.

RISKY TIER 1
The S&P action follows significant weakening in subordinated bond prices in recent days after Royal Bank of Scotland revealed the biggest loss in British corporate history and the UK government increased its stake in the bank to almost 70 percent.
'There seems no reason in the world to favour subordinated financials over corporates in CDS or cash,' ING credit strategists said in a note published on Wednesday.
'Increased coupon deferral and extension risk continues to make us extremely cautious as to this component of the bank capital spectrum.'
Tier 1 bonds of RBS fell to around 20 percent of face value on Tuesday on fears that the bank will not pay interest payments on such debt.
In addition, S&P on Wednesday downgraded to default status the 300 million pound ($412.4 million) Tier 1 preference shares issued by Anglo Irish Bank that were included in the bank's nationalisation.
'Nationalization of the preference shares means that the investors in the instruments suffer a loss of principal and all future coupons. They will receive compensation, but we expect this to be limited,' S&P analysts said.
 
Un altro precedente interessante che mi era sfuggito:

Thomson dividend move raises doubts on hybrid

Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:18am EDT

By Natalie Harrison

LONDON, April 16 (Reuters) - French media group Thomson's (TMS.PA) decision to scrap its dividend has raised uncertainty about whether the company will pay the coupon on its ravaged 500 million euro ($792 million) hybrid bond.
Thomson, which is under pressure from poor earnings and an uncertain outlook, said on Wednesday it would suspend its dividend payment for 2007.
The news sent its shares more than 3 percent lower and raised the cost of insuring its debt against default, while the hybrid bond plummeted in value.
The bond <FR023062267=> was indicated on Wednesday morning bid at around 26-27 percent of face value, according to Reuters data, down from 42 percent on Tuesday.
If Thomson does not pay a dividend, it has the option to suspend coupon payments on the hybrid bond -- one of the features that makes this instrument a blend of equity and debt.
The company said in a statement, however, that the dividend decision "does not imply non-payment of the next coupon on its 500 million euro perpetual bond." That decision is due in September, the company said, when the coupon payment falls due.
"If they opt to continue paying the coupon on the perp, they are showing an act of good faith to their bond holders and that might serve them well further down the road," said Roger Appleyard, head of European credit research for Royal Bank of Canada.
"Alternatively they could just put the shutters down because it is less clear who actually owns the perps and they will not be as worried about them, preferring to have a better relationship with banks. They could go either way." Five-year credit default swaps on Thomson widened 20 basis points to 635 basis points after the news, a trader said. That means it costs 635,000 euros a year to insure 10 million euros of the company's debt against default.

"SHOCKER"
Hybrid bonds offer a cheaper way for companies to raise funds than issuing straight equity and also help protect credit ratings.
They are also deeply subordinated, very-long dated or perpetual securities that allow borrowers to boost their balance sheet without diluting existing shareholders, while paying investors higher returns than senior bonds.
The Thomson hybrid has performed badly right from the start, losing more than a fifth of its value in the first six months after its launch in September 2005 and was further hammered after Moody's Investors Service cut the hybrid bond to "junk" status in March 2006.
"It's a shocker. It (Thomson) should never have issued a hybrid in the first place." said Appleyard.
After a string of deals from utilities and non-cyclical companies such as Bayer, Vattenfall [VATN.UL] and Danish Oil and Natural Gas (DONG), Thomson was also the first hybrid borrower truly exposed to cyclical markets.
Appleyard said Thomson got its deal away at a time when "the market was all bulled up and people were after hybrids". Doubts whether Thomson will pay the hybrid coupon, however, do not does not necessarily mean other hybrids face similar risks.
"People were questioning why a technology company was doing a perp. That's why it traded badly from the off, with worries about exposure to technology risks and competition from Asia."
(Additional reporting by Richard Barley and Dominique Vidalon)



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Thomson confirms coupon on perpetual bond

9/9/2008
Paris – September 9, 2008 - Thomson (Euronext Paris : 18453 ; NYSE : TMS) notes that the next coupon on the outstanding €500 million perpetual bond will be paid on 25 September 2008. This payment will total €28.75 million.
 
Un altro precedente interessante che mi era sfuggito:

Thomson dividend move raises doubts on hybrid

Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:18am EDT

By Natalie Harrison

LONDON, April 16 (Reuters) - French media group Thomson's (TMS.PA) decision to scrap its dividend has raised uncertainty about whether the company will pay the coupon on its ravaged 500 million euro ($792 million) hybrid bond.
Thomson, which is under pressure from poor earnings and an uncertain outlook, said on Wednesday it would suspend its dividend payment for 2007.
The news sent its shares more than 3 percent lower and raised the cost of insuring its debt against default, while the hybrid bond plummeted in value.
The bond <FR023062267=> was indicated on Wednesday morning bid at around 26-27 percent of face value, according to Reuters data, down from 42 percent on Tuesday.
If Thomson does not pay a dividend, it has the option to suspend coupon payments on the hybrid bond -- one of the features that makes this instrument a blend of equity and debt.
The company said in a statement, however, that the dividend decision "does not imply non-payment of the next coupon on its 500 million euro perpetual bond." That decision is due in September, the company said, when the coupon payment falls due.
"If they opt to continue paying the coupon on the perp, they are showing an act of good faith to their bond holders and that might serve them well further down the road," said Roger Appleyard, head of European credit research for Royal Bank of Canada.
"Alternatively they could just put the shutters down because it is less clear who actually owns the perps and they will not be as worried about them, preferring to have a better relationship with banks. They could go either way." Five-year credit default swaps on Thomson widened 20 basis points to 635 basis points after the news, a trader said. That means it costs 635,000 euros a year to insure 10 million euros of the company's debt against default.

"SHOCKER"
Hybrid bonds offer a cheaper way for companies to raise funds than issuing straight equity and also help protect credit ratings.
They are also deeply subordinated, very-long dated or perpetual securities that allow borrowers to boost their balance sheet without diluting existing shareholders, while paying investors higher returns than senior bonds.
The Thomson hybrid has performed badly right from the start, losing more than a fifth of its value in the first six months after its launch in September 2005 and was further hammered after Moody's Investors Service cut the hybrid bond to "junk" status in March 2006.
"It's a shocker. It (Thomson) should never have issued a hybrid in the first place." said Appleyard.
After a string of deals from utilities and non-cyclical companies such as Bayer, Vattenfall [VATN.UL] and Danish Oil and Natural Gas (DONG), Thomson was also the first hybrid borrower truly exposed to cyclical markets.
Appleyard said Thomson got its deal away at a time when "the market was all bulled up and people were after hybrids". Doubts whether Thomson will pay the hybrid coupon, however, do not does not necessarily mean other hybrids face similar risks.
"People were questioning why a technology company was doing a perp. That's why it traded badly from the off, with worries about exposure to technology risks and competition from Asia."
(Additional reporting by Richard Barley and Dominique Vidalon)



Press Releases

Thomson confirms coupon on perpetual bond

9/9/2008
Paris – September 9, 2008 - Thomson (Euronext Paris : 18453 ; NYSE : TMS) notes that the next coupon on the outstanding €500 million perpetual bond will be paid on 25 September 2008. This payment will total €28.75 million.

Interessante: rammento se ne fosse parlato sul FOL e fosse emerso questo elemento della discrezionalità del pagamento della cedola anche in caso di mancata erogazione del dividendo... vediamo se riesco a recuperare almeno un link a quei materiali...

Intanto il bond quota a prezzi infimi... complici anche difficoltà evidenti dell'emittente, che figura nella parte alta delle liste delle società europee candidate al default nel biennio...

http://anleihen.onvista.de/snapshot.html?ID_INSTRUMENT=12880100
 
Interessante: rammento se ne fosse parlato sul FOL e fosse emerso questo elemento della discrezionalità del pagamento della cedola anche in caso di mancata erogazione del dividendo... vediamo se riesco a recuperare almeno un link a quei materiali...

Intanto il bond quota a prezzi infimi... complici anche difficoltà evidenti dell'emittente, che figura nella parte alta delle liste delle società europee candidate al default nel biennio...

http://anleihen.onvista.de/snapshot.html?ID_INSTRUMENT=12880100

Anche TUI un mese fa ha deciso di pagare la cedola, pur avendo azzerato il dividendo:

UPDATE 1-TUI to omit '08 dividend on restructuring cost

Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:56am EST


* TUI says sees 2008 net profit to be only slightly positive
* Says will not pay 2008 dividend
* Says hybrid bond not affected

(Adds details, background)
FRANKFURT, Dec 10 (Reuters) - TUI (TUIGn.DE) has decided to skip paying a dividend on 2008 results as costs related to the merger of First Choice Holidays with its tourism division impacts earnings this year.
Servicing of its hybrid bond would not be affected, the company said on Wednesday.
TUI said it now saw full-year net income coming in only slightly positive this year. Underlying earnings before interest, tax and amortisation were still expected to increase significantly from 2007, it said.
TUI, owner of Europe's biggest travel company TUI Travel (TT.L), said the merger would still lead to a "sustainable and significant" increase in earnings potential in the following years. The company recently decided to divest its container shipping division Hapag-Lloyd to focus on tourism. A special dividend to pay out profit from the sale of Hapag-Lloyd, which would be completed in early 2009, would be decided upon after compiling full-year financial results for next year, TUI said. (Reporting by Maria Sheahan)
 
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