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Dante, please do come more often to post here

Hi Dante!
Welcome back, long time we don't read from you.

Please do post more often if u can:up::up::up:.
Tchuss

Hi Bosmeld, yes that is quite good news for WestLB.

Most important, the use of the german banking restructuring act "RestrukturierungsG" seems to be off the table. That was the main threat to the value of WestLB Hybrids, both profit participations (Genussscheine) and silent participations (the hybrid capital fundings). Also the timeline till 2015 looks favorable, as no fire sales might be necessary. The incurring losses will be shared between the state, the bund and the Sparkassen, but as it seems not mainly by WestLB AG itselft, which is another positive. The hybrids might in time move to a merged Landesbank.

So, the bad news for WestLB should stop now as all involved partys now share the desire for moving ahead. But please, let's not jump the boat prematurely before the commission accepts these new plans...
 

innocentiproject

Forumer attivo
Grazie mille x la news:up:

:corna:

Domani SNS Reaal annuncia i risultati del 2010.
L'articoletto qui sotto è tradotto dall'olandese con Google: sembra proprio che gli analisti si attendano un risultato negativo. Vediamo se, come l'anno scorso, ci saranno "sorprese" positive.

ANTEPRIMA: libro SNS semestre perdita


AMSTERDAM (DJ) - SNS REAAL NV (SR.AE) sarà Giovedi una perdita netta conosciuto circa la seconda metà, da maggiori svalutazioni di proprietà finanziere SNS Property Finance e un effetto negativo di siepi di tasso di interesse con l'assicuratore, l'impatto positivo dei tassi di crescita limite. Quattro gli analisti interpellati da Dow Jones Newswires, in media, si aspettano una perdita netta di 49 milioni di euro nel primo semestre, dopo un utile netto di 29 milioni di euro è stato raggiunto. Sulla base di linee guida da parte della società a maggiori svalutazioni di proprietà analisti Finanza aspettarsi più di 200 milioni di euro di perdita in questa parte che SNS nei prossimi anni a diminuire completamente. Con tassi d'interesse crescenti, la solvibilità dell'assicuratore si prevede un miglioramento rispetto al 195% dopo il terzo trimestre. Un analista di punti possibile diluizione dei dettagli condividono circa la conversione del capitale da parte della Stichting Beheer SNS REAAL. Predice la società rilascerà capitale dal libro prestito di Property Finance a 1 miliardo di euro per creare pacchetti e mutui cartolarizzati da vendere. Un altro analista si chiede se la tendenza al ribasso nella vita individuale continua. SNS pubblica i dati sulla concessione Giovedi. Lo stock chiuso Mercoledì alle EUR3, 60. (AVR)
 

samantaao

Forumer storico
oggi bper mi ha detto che emetterà nuova lt2 2017 con tasso 4,5-4,6 fisso e ammortamento del 20% in 5 anni
qualcuno ha un riferimento x capire se sia interssante?
poi non è convincete il volume 50 o 100ml, ma secondo me non lo sa, ci ha dato d'inzecco...
 

riccio43

lupo si lupo no
oggi bper mi ha detto che emetterà nuova lt2 2017 con tasso 4,5-4,6 fisso e ammortamento del 20% in 5 anni
qualcuno ha un riferimento x capire se sia interssante?
poi non è convincete il volume 50 o 100ml, ma secondo me non lo sa, ci ha dato d'inzecco...
piu' o meno sembra in linea a spanne la vita media e'di 3 anni si puo' paragonare con la
BP 035 22.10.14 4.125% a 98.60 il REL e' 4.56
Ungheria 374 29.1.14 4.50% a 99 il REL e' 4.85
Fiat 285 1.9.14 7.625% a 107.98 REL 5.11
queste sono senior salvo errore
 

Zorba

Bos 4 Mod
Rehn rejects prospect of bondholder 'haircuts'

ARTHUR BEESLEY, European Correspondent, in Brussels
EURO ZONE finance ministers have eliminated the prospect of any move to impose losses on senior bondholders in Ireland’s banks, economics commissioner Olli Rehn said.
Although Fine Gael and Labour each say they would compel the highest-ranked bank bondholders to bear “haircuts” on their investment if they won the election, the commissioner said Ireland’s European sponsors see no possibility to pursue that path.
“It is certain that there is simply no appetite for considering senior debt bondholders in this context because we want to avoid any kind of potential contagion effect,” he told reporters in Brussels.
“Therefore, this issue is not on the table and that was made very clear yesterday in the meeting of the Euro Group.”
Mr Rehn was speaking after finance ministers from the 17 single currency countries and ministers from the 10 non-euro countries gathered to discuss how they might intensify the battle against the sovereign debt crisis.
While they discussed lowering the interest charge on bailout loans, Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan said there was “significant disagreement” between member states on that question.
With the Netherlands known to oppose any reduction in the rate, Mr Lenihan said Germany wanted Ireland to quicken its austerity drive in return for lower interest.
He added, however, that the discussion was “very, very far” at this stage from Ireland being asked to accept a common corporate tax in return for a lower interest charge.
“The main focus of German concern has been the fiscal correction in Ireland. They want the fiscal correction expedited and this is the crucial issue in relation to the pricing policy, that if you want a better pricing policy, you’d perform in terms of the EU-IMF agreement.”
As he left Brussels, Mr Lenihan said there was “considerable shock” in Europe at the debate on bond default in the general election campaign. The debate was seen as “deeply damaging” for the banking system but he declined to say how such “shock” was relayed to him.
Mr Rehn said he was reluctant to characterise the debate in that way. “I’m not a man of strong adjectives or substantives. I don’t want to qualify any discussion as a shock.” The strength of the commissioner’s remarks on senior bondholders will suggest the main opposition parties will not receive European support to execute key campaign promises on banks if they take power.
Mr Lenihan said he understood why the debate was taking place but said Europe’s perspective on the question was determined by the extent of the European Central Bank’s support for Ireland’s banks.
“The huge dependence of the Irish banks on ECB collateral is a key feature of our debate in this election. Over €140 billion has been committed by the European authorities, either directly themselves or through our central bank, into the Irish banking system. That is what is supporting the Irish banking system after the guarantee lapsed last September.”
Mr Lenihan dismissed the meeting between Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny and German chancellor Angela Merkel as a stunt.
“The Government has been making steady progress on corporation tax since the EU-IMF arrangement. As you know, it was left outside that arrangement where it should be – one of our sovereign rights under EU law.
“Yesterday we had this stunt visit to Berlin and a negative reaction from CDU backbenchers who say that Deputy Kenny shouldn’t have raised the issue. It is one of the issues that’s on the agenda here and what we’re trying to do is skilfully move it off that agenda, not engage in this kind of rubber-neck diplomacy.”
 

Zorba

Bos 4 Mod
Sempre dall'Irish Times. E' un po' più folkloristico, ma...

Fine Gael better brace itself for bumpy ride

VINCENT BROWNE
Despite what it says in its manifesto, Fine Gael in government will not have the power to defy the ECB
FINE GAEL has been serious about policy over the last several years because there are several people in Fine Gael serious about policy. People such as Richard Bruton, Leo Varadkar, Phil Hogan, Simon Coveney, Brian Hayes and others.
It is not the crack-pot outfit it was in 2002 when Michael Noonan was leader and when promises were made to compensate taxi drivers and people who lost money on Eircom shares. Enda Kenny deserves credit for bringing seriousness to Fine Gael’s policy formation and that seriousness is evident from the party manifesto published yesterday. But seriousness does not mean fairness or thoroughness and, in my opinion, the manifesto is deficient on both counts, in ways that will have bad consequences for this country.
The bit about the renegotiation of the EU-IMF deal is not credible at all and it is clear that a Fine Gael government or a Fine Gael-led government will fail to get any significant alteration to that package and will do so essentially because of deference, the same malaise that afflicted Fianna Fáil. Deference to the high priests of the financial world, including the ECB and the EU Commission itself.
For instance, on page 16 of the manifesto Fine Gael states: “Fine Gael in government will force certain classes of bondholders to share the cost of recapitalising troubled financial institutions. This will be done unilaterally for the most of the junior bondholders . . . but could be extended – as part of a European-wide framework – for senior debt, focusing on insolvent institutions like Anglo Irish and Irish Nationwide that have no systemic importance.”
Fine Gael will not force certain classes of bondholders to share the cost of anything. And it won’t do so because the ECB will instruct them not to do so, as it recently instructed Brian Lenihan to pay almost €800 million to Anglo Irish bondholders who were not covered by the bank guarantee.
The ECB won’t countenance any default because of the knock-on effects that would have on the European banking system and Fine Gael in government will not defy the ECB and certainly won’t do so unilaterally, as the manifesto threatens.
After the defiant but worthless pledge about unilaterally forcing junior bondholders to share the cost of recapitalising troubled financial institutions, there is the suggestion that maybe Ireland would be allowed to default on some of the debts of the senior bondholders, with EU concurrence. I obtained an insight into the thinking of relevant EU people on this issue from a reliable source recently and this person said there was no way anything such as this would be countenanced at EU level because of the knock-on effects it would have in the euro zone.
The only way we can escape from the calamitous consequences of the bank guarantee is to threaten to disown the debt unilaterally, if there is not agreement to do it in agreement with the EU Commission and the ECB. Fine Gael will not do that. Incidentally, every party, Sinn Féin included, supported the guarantee in the Dáil on September 30th, 2008, and although Labour voted against, it was clear Labour supported the principle of the guarantee but disagreed on technicalities.
So on the big issue, the massive bank debt of €100 billion or, depending on how one calculates it, a multiple of that, Fine Gael will not achieve any significant reduction. Yes, perhaps, after a while a reduction in the interest rate but that is of little consequence in the overall calculation. Perhaps there will be a crisis in the euro zone caused by us or by some other factors, and that might cause a restructuring, but the cure for that crisis might be worse than the disease.
The proposals on political reform are good in so far as they go. But having identified the main problem: the “over-powerful executive” which has “turned the Dáil into an observer of the political process, rather than a central player”, it proposes changes that don’t deal with the central issue: the subservience of the Dáil to the government of the day because of the whips system.
There is the usual stuff about protecting the vulnerable followed by proposals that will do the opposite: no change proposed to the universal social charge and more cuts in social welfare. Only the briefest acknowledgement of inequality as it affects women and no acknowledgement at all that inequality is even an issue. Which is odd since repeated favourable reference is made to the Swedish model which involves high taxes, high public expenditure and much more equality.
Fine Gael is now certain to be in government; whether on its own or with Labour is yet to be determined. Enda Kenny is certain to be taoiseach. But what is also certain is that this next government will run into crisis after crisis over the next year and, by then, most people will have forgotten that it was Fianna Fáil who brought all this about.
It also seems certain there will be more hardship, more unemployment, more emigration and more inequality, while those at the privileged end of the social spectrum will suffer merely annoying changes to their lifestyles and expectations.
It’s the way of the world, or at least our version of the world.
 
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