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DinoP

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sono ultra positivo sulla abn dutch. Il titolo piu' pesante nel mio portafoglio e' abn5% ut2 perp in bp xs0244754254 62,5 offer

l'ho acquistato in switch da abn 4,31 perche' se avete avuto tempo di leggere i motivi dei downgrade delle agenzie di rating sul debito subordinato di abn loro menzionavano 2 tipi di problemi:
1) la possibilita' di skippaggio cedole causa aiuti di stato (con dexia e' avvenuto). Su abn e' molto piu' difficile pero' ho preferito girare su abn in pound che e' ut2 cumulative dunque i soldi li vedro' sempre
2) l'agenzia di rating diceva che nella misura in cui la partecipazione dello stato sara' provvisoria non si puo' "appiccicare" al debito di abn il rating dello stato olandese

detto questo il debito di abn e' storia bellissima
se vi ricordate a marzo/aprile ripresi l'idea di solenoide e gonzalito e facemmo il pieno a 32/33

ora pero' e' il momento di ridurre i rischi di portafoglio e dunque girare da abn 4,31 lower tier1 a abn 5% in bp ut2 mi sembra cosa saggia

saludos

ciao,
ho preso anch'io questa Perpetual ad agosto, dopo aver venduto in ottimo gain delle axa sempre in pound prese ad aprile.
A parte il fatto che è difficile trovare le quotazioni aggiornate, noto che è l'unica P del mio ptf che è stornata di qualche punto. (prese a 67).
Non ho trovato notizie in merito, ne mi so dare una spiegazione per questo trend inverso degli ultimi mesi.
Qualcuno ha una spiegazione a questo calo in controtendenza?
questa emissione segue branchia di abn passata alla rbs, o
è uguale quelle abn dutch?

sto anche pensando di incrementare, se non ci sono brutte news
 
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bosmeld

Forumer storico
ragazzi parlando di dexia, c'è da dire che nonostante abbiano sospeso cedola le quotazioni stanno addiruttura aumnetando....

praticamente io penso che diano per scontato che hanno prossimo pagano, se no non si spiega...

perlatro la cos divertente è che anno sospeso cedola su questa emissione

XS0273230572 che doveva pagare il 02/11

e ancora non hanno sospeso cedola su questa

FR0010251421 che dovrebbe pagare il 18/11

anche se sincermanete non mi sono visto i prospetti di nessuna di queste...


poi c'è questa XS0132253468 che dovrebbe pagare il 06/07/2010
 
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Ing 127 51-53
Ing 587 55,7-57,5
Abn 52,5 54,5
Aegon 49-50,5
Deut Postbank Z1 54-56
Mps 91,5-93
Bpm 96-98
 

DinoP

life is good
ho trovato la lista del debito allocato allo stato Olandese, c'è anche la nostra in pound.








The following table lists the debt instruments issued by ABN AMRO/ABN AMRO Bank N.V. and economically allocated to Dutch State acquired businesses as at 31 December 2008:


ISIN EUR1,150 million 4.625% subordinated lower tier 2 notes 2009NL0000122463
EUR500 million floating rate Bermudan callable subordinated lower tier 2 notes 2018 (callable May 2013)XS0256778464
EUR1,000 million floating rate Bermudan callable subordinated lower tier 2 notes 2016 (callable September 2011)XS0267063435
EUR82 million floating rate subordinated notes 2017XS0113243470 EUR103,4 million floating rate subordinated lower tier 2 notes 2020XS0114072423
EUR65 million floating rate Bermudan callable subordinated lower tier 2 notes 2015 (callable October 2010)PP550NBC4
USD100 million floating rate Bermudan callable subordinated lower tier 2 notes 2015 (callable October 2010)PP550NBB6
USD36 million floating rate Bermudan callable subordinated lower tier 2 notes 2015 (callable October 2010PP550NB42
USD1,000 million floating rate Bermudan callable subordinated lower tier 2 notes 2017 (callable January 2012)XS0282833184
USD250 million 7.75% subordinated lower tier 2 notes 2023US00077TAA25
GBP750 million 5% Bermudan callable perpetual subordinated upper tier 2 notes issued for an indefinite period (callable February2016)XS0244754254
EUR1,000 million 4.310% perpetual Bermudan callable subordinated tier 1 notes (callable March 2016)XS0246487457
EUR 11,2 million 4.0% bank bonds 2009NL0000071942
EUR 73,3 million 5.0% bank bonds 2009NL0000071983
EUR 124,0 million 5.5% bank bonds 2010NL0000065423
EUR 148,3 million 5.75% bank bonds 2010NL0000071991
EUR 64,7 million 5.0% bank bonds 2012NL0000065456
All current debt outstandings under the Covered Bond Programme and the Bouwfonds Secured Debt programme of ABN AMRO Bank N.V. have been economically allocated to the Dutch State acquired businesses of ABN AMRO.
Any future issues out of the Covered Bond programme will include in the final terms an indication of the legal entity to which it is intended to economically allocate the issue.
The following debt instrument has not been economically allocated to any consortium member and is therefore held centrally and reported in Central Items:
USD150 million 7.13% subordinated notes 2093 US00077TAB08
 

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La Storia Mi è Sempre Piaciuta:D:D


Dutch State acquired businesses


ABN AMRO was acquired by a consortium of Fortis, RBS and Santander (RFS Holdings B.V.) in October 2007. On 3 October 2008, the Dutch state announced that it had bought Fortis Bank Nederland, including its interests in ABN AMRO. As of 24 December 2008, the Dutch state replaced Fortis as a stakeholder in RFS Holdings, which continues to manage ABN AMRO.

In the last quarter of 2009, the businesses that were acquired by the Dutch State are planned to be separated from RFS Holdings and become an independent and separately capitalised and regulated entity under the supervision of the Dutch central bank (DNB).

After separation, the Royal Bank of Scotland will change the brand name ABN AMRO Bank N.V. into Royal Bank of Scotland N.V. Therefore we are able to name the new Dutch State owned entity ‘ABN AMRO Bank N.V.’ The new entity will consist of the business units Netherlands, Private Banking and the International Diamond & Jewelry Group.

Looking further ahead, ABN AMRO and Fortis Nederland are in the process of being merged into a single organisation. The new bank will possess financial strength, product breadth, depth of client base and international reach across more than 30 countries and territories, positioning the bank ideally to service the needs of financial institutions and corporations of all sizes and ambitions, both within the Netherlands and beyond.
 

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About the Dutch State acquired businesses of ABN AMRO

With a rich history dating back to 1824, ABN AMRO is a highly respected and stable banking partner for retail, private, commercial, corporate and financial institution clients. We are proud of our heritage and excited by our potential, with a constant aim to help our customers conduct their business more effectively. In recent years, ABN AMRO has been through a variety of changes from which it has emerged strong and reinvigorated - a trusted banking partner for the new world.

At the end of the first quarter of 2009, the total assets of the Dutch State acquired businesses of ABN AMRO amounted to EUR 187 bln. With an international presence in 17 countries and territories, this 'new' ABN AMRO employs about 23,000 people, of which 3,000 are outside the Netherlands.

The Dutch State-owned business serves over 4 million retail clients and more than 370,000 business clients. We offer a broad range of products and services via a diversity of channels like bankshops, business centres, call centres and internet.

Looking further ahead, ABN AMRO and Fortis Nederland are in the process of being merged into a single organisation. The new bank will possess financial strength, product breadth, depth of client base and international reach across more than 30 countries and territories, positioning the bank ideally to service the needs of financial institutions and corporations of all sizes and ambitions, both within the Netherlands and beyond.
 

stordits

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abn

ciao,
ho preso anch'io questa Perpetual ad agosto, dopo aver venduto in ottimo gain delle axa sempre in pound prese ad aprile.
A parte il fatto che è difficile trovare le quotazioni aggiornate, noto che è l'unica P del mio ptf che è stornata di qualche punto. (prese a 67).
Non ho trovato notizie in merito, ne mi so dare una spiegazione per questo trend inverso degli ultimi mesi.
Qualcuno ha una spiegazione a questo calo in controtendenza?
questa emissione segue branchia di abn passata alla rbs, o
è uguale quelle abn dutch?

sto anche pensando di incrementare, se non ci sono brutte news


1) abn in bp e' economically allocated to dutch gov
2) il titolo non va' perche' c'e' morgan che ne ha un po' da vendere e dunque rimane bloccata
3) in generale stante la debolezza degli ultimi anni del pound, non c'e' grossa richiesta di carta in pound e dunque e' essenzialmente un mercato dimenticato (non si spiegherebe altrimenti lo sconto della genrali in pound versus quella in euro malgrado 1% di facciale in piu')

in generale non c'e' piu' grosso capital gain sui perp
bisogna badare ad ottenere un buon flusso cedolare minimizzando i rischi di skippaggio e comprando roba cheap che si possa apprezzare di qualche decina di punti nell'arco di 2-3 anni---) in questo senso io sono pieno di abn ut2 e axa cumulative

abn ut2 ovviamente la performance derivera' anche dal cambio . guardando pero' nel medio periodo e precisamante nel 2012 (LONDON OLYMPICS GAMES) spero di trovare un
ABN 5 A 80, POUND A 0,80 E DUNQUE AVERE UN IRR DI OLTRE IL 15% ANNUO -----) DI PIU' DA QUESTI LIVELLI DI MERCATO NON SI PUO ATTENDERE

SALUDOS
 

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The future bank: ABN AMRO + Fortis Bank Nederland


The Dutch Ministry of Finance has announced that after separation from their respective holdings, the state-owned businesses of ABN AMRO and Fortis Bank Nederland will be merged into a new and strong Dutch bank, led by former Dutch Minister of Finance, Gerrit Zalm.

The combined bank will be called ABN AMRO and at the moment has a pro forma presence in 33 countries and territories, employing over 33,000 people, of whom 5,000 are outside the Netherlands.

Before the banks can put their integration plans into practice, they need to obtain the approval of the European Commission, the Dutch State, the Dutch Central Bank (De Nederlandsche Bank - DNB) and the relevant foreign regulators. For reasons of fair competition, the European Commission requires the sale of a part of the business clients activities in the Netherlands. This so called ‘Remedy’ should be fulfilled before 6 July 2009.

What the new combined bank will stand for
ABN AMRO and Fortis Bank Nederland will create a new, combined and independent bank. They will build on their entrepreneurship, their professionalism and their experience abroad. The new entity wants to be a bank that always puts its clients first; a bank that understands and supports clients in achieving their ambitions; a financial services provider that shows integrity and keeps to its promises. It wants to build enduring relationships with its clients. The bank is willing to invest in its clients, and never take risks it doesn’t understand. In short: it will be a bank for the clients – a bank intent on achieving healthy returns, a bank with ambitions, but without pretensions.

The divisions of the future bank
Fortis Bank Nederland and ABN AMRO are banks with a long history. We want to retain and promote the best of both banks, while making an enduring relationship with our clients our top priority. The new, combined bank will be composed of businesses that fit together perfectly and that allow us to serve our retail, private and commercial clients well. We will focus on the segments and markets in which our strengths lie.

Retail Banking
The new retail bank will be a very large player in the Dutch market, offering expertise, professional advice and world-class products to retail clients at all stages of their lives. The focus is on attaining high customer satisfaction and providing products and services tailored to the specific needs of our clients.

Clients should experience added value in every contact they have with the bank and be offered excellent service via a multi-channel distribution network. The network includes a 24/7 telephone service provided by the customer contact centre, an extensive online banking service and a streamlined network of bank branches throughout the Netherlands.

The retail bank is active in the areas of assets (savings and investment), housing (mortgages), lending, insurance and payments. Our products and services rank among the best in the market and are transparent and straightforward. It also offers investors various products distributed by other banks and insurers.

Private Banking
The Private Banking business will be active in 14 countries and territories. It will build on our market leadership in the Netherlands and our strong, mainly European, international presence. We occupy key local positions in a number of European countries and in the relevant international private banking centres. Asia is our growth market, where we serve clients from a select number of locations. The private bank offers our high-net-worth clients the personal attention and service their financial position requires, which also serves to safeguard the continuity of the client-bank relationship.

Private Banking offers investment advice, discretionary portfolio management, financial planning and international estate planning. Where personal and professional financial needs overlap, we offer the unique Enterprise & Entrepreneur concept to entrepreneurs, their families and their businesses.

The private bank will conduct its operations in the Netherlands, Curaçao and Guernsey under the name ABN AMRO MeesPierson, while the brand names currently in use elsewhere – ABN AMRO Private Banking, Neuflize OBC and Delbrück Bethmann Maffei – will be retained.

Private Banking International will also include the International Diamond & Jewelry Group (ID&JG).

Commercial & Merchant Banking
The new Commercial & Merchant Banking business will be the market leader in the Netherlands for large commercial clients and will hold a number two-position for SMEs, but its ambitions go further. The group wants to be the primary bank for companies based in the Netherlands and for their businesses abroad. Its goal is to create a long-standing relationship that encompasses a broad range of products and services. It also holds a number of leading positions in global, specialist markets such as Energy, Commodities & Transportation and Brokerage, Clearing & Custody.

Commercial & Merchant Banking will offer an integrated package of services through its own network of offices in western Europe and financial centres worldwide, covering 80-90% of our Dutch clients’ international needs. It also teams up with other banks in its efforts to serve clients across the globe.

Energy, Commodities & Transportation offers standard and structured bank products and services to clients who are active worldwide in sectors such as commodity finance and shipping.

Brokerage, Clearing & Custody boasts an integrated service package for professional parties, such as market makers and professional traders, and is among the world’s biggest players in this market – and one of the few to offer global market access and clearing on more than 60 of the world’s main exchanges.
 

bosmeld

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grazie quotazioni.

taken abn a 54,5 primo ingresso....


volevo vendere altro e entrare pesantiono ma ho rimandato....
metto qualche altra quotazione

Ba 4k8 52,5 54,25 (è scesa un pochino....) volevo switcare tutta questa Ba per Abn......

natixis FR0010154278 41-49

b.lux 24-27

rzb XS0193631040 44,5 46,5
 
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