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Sulla tender offer di BOI.

Ho raccolto un paio di rumors: con questa OPS BOI contava di raccimolare circa 7-800 mln, creando capital base per 400. Il restante equity dovrebbe essere raccimolato vendendo l'unità assicurativa.

Vediamo alle 4 London Time (alle 5 ora nostra) che ci dicono
 
non penso proprio che la richiameranno, dovrebbero emetterna una nuova tra natale e capodoanno o tra capodanno e l'epifania, praticamente impossibile sia per timing che per attuali livelli del mercato

la MPS 7,99 % XS0121342827 (quella che avevo anche io ma che vendetti ai primi di ottobre dopo averla acquistata ai primi di maggio ) ha primo call 07/02/2011 e poi se non verrà callata , lo potrà essere ogni 3 mesi diventando nel post call euribor3+ spread di 3,90%. Sono 350 milioni € ed effettivamente dato che il rifinanziamento dovrebbe essere chiesto entro 90 giorni dal richiamo (cosa che ho letto da qualche parte mi pare su un giornale ) , ormai non ci sarebbero --come dici giustamente tu-- i tempi tecnici. Però, se è vero quel discorso del rifinanziamento entro 90 giorni (cosa letta mi pare su un articolo di giornale)e se è vero come è vero che fu il 24 novembre 2010(mi sono segnato la data) che MPS ha dichiarato di voler emettere un nuovo bond TIER 1 da 650 milioni per sostituire questa e le altri due antonveneta , certamente anche tra il 24 novembre(data della dichiarazione MPS però solo purtroppo ufficiosa ) e il 7/2/2011 (data del 1 call) sarebbero stati sempre meno di 90 giorni . Quindi, in parole povere ,non so cosa pensare .Credo che la ipotesi più probabile sarà il call al seguente trimestre, cioè al 7/5/2011. Un po' come ha fatto Groupama mi pare.
Le altre due richiamabili nel 2011 sono la antonveneta XS0122238115 da soli 80 milioni pagante attualmente euribor3 +2,65%,che avrebbe primo call 21/3/2011 e poi euribor3 +3,975 ma tutte le volte che ho chiesto il prezzo mi han detto sempre che era totalmente illiquida.
La altra con call 2011 ,è un'altra antonveneta (quella che ho io) avente primo call 27/9/2011 e poi diverrebbe euribor 3 + 4,65%da euribor +3,10 di oggi .Consta di 220 milioni € .
A mio parere se non chiamano al primo call la MPS ,questa potrebbe scendere ed allora la incrementerei ancora perchè una delle pochissime legate all'euribor
 
Sulle ultime notizie da Basilea 3

Chiunque ricevesse dei reports dall'ufficio studi di una grande banca a proposito delle ultime decisioni su Basilea 3 è vivamente pregato di pubblicarle.
Ho appena cominciato a leggere i documenti e ho l'impressione che non sia per noi così facile cogliere tutte le implicazioni.
Mi sto soffermando in particolare sui criteri fissati affinché una emissione possa qualificarsi come Tier 1 oppure Tier 2. Per comodità li riporto:

*Per qualificarsi come Additional Tier 1:

1. Issued and paid-in
2. Subordinated to depositors, general creditors and subordinated debt of the bank
3. Is neither secured nor covered by a guarantee of the issuer or related entity or other
arrangement that legally or economically enhances the seniority of the claim vis-à-vis bank
creditors
4. Is perpetual, ie there is no maturity date and there are no step-ups or other incentives to
redeem
5. May be callable at the initiative of the issuer only after a minimum of five years:
a. To exercise a call option a bank must receive prior supervisory approval; and
b. A bank must not do anything which creates an expectation that the call will be exercised; and
c. Banks must not exercise a call unless:
i. They replace the called instrument with capital of the same or better quality and the
replacement of this capital is done at conditions which are sustainable for the income
capacity of the bank; or
ii. The bank demonstrates that its capital position is well above the minimum capital
requirements after the call option is exercised
6. Any repayment of principal (eg through repurchase or redemption) must be with prior
supervisory approval and banks should not assume or create market expectations that
supervisory approval will be given
7. Dividend/coupon discretion:
a. the bank must have full discretion at all times to cancel distributions/payments1
b. cancellation of discretionary payments must not be an event of default
c. banks must have full access to cancelled payments to meet obligations as they fall due
d. cancellation of distributions/payments must not impose restrictions on the bank except in
relation to distributions to common stockholders.
8. Dividends/coupons must be paid out of distributable items
9. The instrument cannot have a credit sensitive dividend feature, that is a dividend/coupon that
is reset periodically based in whole or in part on the banking organisation’s credit standing.
10. The instrument cannot contribute to liabilities exceeding assets if such a balance sheet test
forms part of national insolvency law.
11. Instruments classified as liabilities for accounting purposes must have principal loss
absorption through either
(i) conversion to common shares at an objective pre-specified trigger point or
(ii) a write-down mechanism which allocates losses to the instrument at a pre-specified trigger
point.
The write-down will have the following effects:
a. Reduce the claim of the instrument in liquidation;
b. Reduce the amount re-paid when a call is exercised; and
c. Partially or fully reduce coupon/dividend payments on the instrument.
12. Neither the bank nor a related party over which the bank exercises control or significant
influence can have purchased the instrument, nor can the bank directly or indirectly have
funded the purchase of the instrument
13. The instrument cannot have any features that hinder recapitalisation, such as provisions that
require the issuer to compensate investors if a new instrument is issued at a lower price
during a specified time frame
14. If the instrument is not issued out of an operating entity or the holding company in the
consolidated group (eg a special purpose vehicle – “SPV”), proceeds must be immediately
available without limitation to an operating entity18 or the holding company in the
consolidated group in a form which meets or exceeds all of the other criteria for inclusion in
Additional Tier 1 capital

*Invece, per qualificarsi come Tier 2 Capital:

1. Issued and paid-in
2. Subordinated to depositors and general creditors of the bank
3. Is neither secured nor covered by a guarantee of the issuer or related entity or other
arrangement that legally or economically enhances the seniority of the claim vis-à-vis
depositors and general bank creditors
4. Maturity:
a. minimum original maturity of at least five years
b. recognition in regulatory capital in the remaining five years before maturity will be amortised
on a straight line basis
c. there are no step-ups or other incentives to redeem
5. May be callable at the initiative of the issuer only after a minimum of five years:
a. To exercise a call option a bank must receive prior supervisory approval;
b. A bank must not do anything that creates an expectation that the call will be exercised; and
c. Banks must not exercise a call unless:
i. They replace the called instrument with capital of the same or better quality and the
replacement of this capital is done at conditions which are sustainable for the income
capacity of the bank20; or
ii. The bank demonstrates that its capital position is well above the minimum capital
requirements after the call option is exercised.21
6. The investor must have no rights to accelerate the repayment of future scheduled payments
(coupon or principal), except in bankruptcy and liquidation.
7. The instrument cannot have a credit sensitive dividend feature, that is a dividend/coupon that
is reset periodically based in whole or in part on the banking organisation’s credit standing.
8. Neither the bank nor a related party over which the bank exercises control or significant
influence can have purchased the instrument, nor can the bank directly or indirectly have
funded the purchase of the instrument
9. If the instrument is not issued out of an operating entity or the holding company in the
consolidated group (eg a special purpose vehicle – “SPV”), proceeds must be immediately
available without limitation to an operating entity22 or the holding company in the
consolidated group in a form which meets or exceeds all of the other criteria for inclusion in
Tier 2 Capital

Personalmente non mi sento così sicuro nell'interpretazione di tutti questi parametri. Faccio un esempio con una domanda: una attuale Tier 1, non step-up, sia essa cumulativa o non, potrebbe essere declassata a Tier2 e quindi non essere richiamata?
 
For an instrument that has a call and a step-up prior to 1 January 2013

DUNQUE TUTTI QUEGLI IRS TIPO CREDIT AGRICOLE FR0010161026 CALLABLE DAL 2015 MA SENZA STEP UP NON PERDERANNO IL LORO STATUS DI TIER1 DAL GIORNO DELLA CALL?

NON CAPISCO LA RATIO DEL LEGISLATORE. QUALCUNO L'HA CAPITA?

Immagino che la ratio del legislatore sia semplicemente quella di non creare delle maggiori attese di richiamo negli investitori ( e quindi di "obbligo" di richiamo da parte della banca) per via del meccanismo di step-up.
 
Ultima modifica:
For an instrument that has a call and a step-up prior to 1 January 2013

DUNQUE TUTTI QUEGLI IRS TIPO CREDIT AGRICOLE FR0010161026 CALLABLE DAL 2015 MA SENZA STEP UP NON PERDERANNO IL LORO STATUS DI TIER1 DAL GIORNO DELLA CALL?

NON CAPISCO LA RATIO DEL LEGISLATORE. QUALCUNO L'HA CAPITA?


la frase incriminata:

– For an instrument that has a call and a step-up prior to 1 January 2013 (or another incentive to be redeemed), if the instrument is not called at its effective maturity date and on a forward-looking basis will meet the new criteria for inclusion in Tier 1 or Tier 2, it will continue to be recognised in that tier of capital.


in particolare

and on a forward-looking basis will meet the new criteria for inclusion in Tier 1 or Tier 2

intende gli strumenti che già oggi sono in linea con i nuovi criteri di Basilea3 e a maggior ragione se non rimborsati rimangono Tier 1

tutto regolare, anzi meglio, hanno chiarito nel dettaglio un po' di aspetti.

A questo punto ne rimane uno fondamentale:

(or another incentive to be redeemed)

capire cosa intendono ???
 
Chiunque ricevesse dei reports dall'ufficio studi di una grande banca a proposito delle ultime decisioni su Basilea 3 è vivamente pregato di pubblicarle.
Ho appena cominciato a leggere i documenti e ho l'impressione che non sia per noi così facile cogliere tutte le implicazioni.
Mi sto soffermando in particolare sui criteri fissati affinché una emissione possa qualificarsi come Tier 1 oppure Tier 2. Per comodità li riporto:

*Per qualificarsi come Additional Tier 1:

1. Issued and paid-in
2. Subordinated to depositors, general creditors and subordinated debt of the bank
3. Is neither secured nor covered by a guarantee of the issuer or related entity or other
arrangement that legally or economically enhances the seniority of the claim vis-à-vis bank
creditors
4. Is perpetual, ie there is no maturity date and there are no step-ups or other incentives to
redeem
5. May be callable at the initiative of the issuer only after a minimum of five years:
a. To exercise a call option a bank must receive prior supervisory approval; and
b. A bank must not do anything which creates an expectation that the call will be exercised; and
c. Banks must not exercise a call unless:
i. They replace the called instrument with capital of the same or better quality and the
replacement of this capital is done at conditions which are sustainable for the income
capacity of the bank; or
ii. The bank demonstrates that its capital position is well above the minimum capital
requirements after the call option is exercised
6. Any repayment of principal (eg through repurchase or redemption) must be with prior
supervisory approval and banks should not assume or create market expectations that
supervisory approval will be given
7. Dividend/coupon discretion:
a. the bank must have full discretion at all times to cancel distributions/payments1
b. cancellation of discretionary payments must not be an event of default
c. banks must have full access to cancelled payments to meet obligations as they fall due
d. cancellation of distributions/payments must not impose restrictions on the bank except in
relation to distributions to common stockholders.
8. Dividends/coupons must be paid out of distributable items
9. The instrument cannot have a credit sensitive dividend feature, that is a dividend/coupon that
is reset periodically based in whole or in part on the banking organisation’s credit standing.
10. The instrument cannot contribute to liabilities exceeding assets if such a balance sheet test
forms part of national insolvency law.
11. Instruments classified as liabilities for accounting purposes must have principal loss
absorption through either
(i) conversion to common shares at an objective pre-specified trigger point or
(ii) a write-down mechanism which allocates losses to the instrument at a pre-specified trigger
point.
The write-down will have the following effects:
a. Reduce the claim of the instrument in liquidation;
b. Reduce the amount re-paid when a call is exercised; and
c. Partially or fully reduce coupon/dividend payments on the instrument.
12. Neither the bank nor a related party over which the bank exercises control or significant
influence can have purchased the instrument, nor can the bank directly or indirectly have
funded the purchase of the instrument
13. The instrument cannot have any features that hinder recapitalisation, such as provisions that
require the issuer to compensate investors if a new instrument is issued at a lower price
during a specified time frame
14. If the instrument is not issued out of an operating entity or the holding company in the
consolidated group (eg a special purpose vehicle – “SPV”), proceeds must be immediately
available without limitation to an operating entity18 or the holding company in the
consolidated group in a form which meets or exceeds all of the other criteria for inclusion in
Additional Tier 1 capital

*Invece, per qualificarsi come Tier 2 Capital:

1. Issued and paid-in
2. Subordinated to depositors and general creditors of the bank
3. Is neither secured nor covered by a guarantee of the issuer or related entity or other
arrangement that legally or economically enhances the seniority of the claim vis-à-vis
depositors and general bank creditors
4. Maturity:
a. minimum original maturity of at least five years
b. recognition in regulatory capital in the remaining five years before maturity will be amortised
on a straight line basis
c. there are no step-ups or other incentives to redeem
5. May be callable at the initiative of the issuer only after a minimum of five years:
a. To exercise a call option a bank must receive prior supervisory approval;
b. A bank must not do anything that creates an expectation that the call will be exercised; and
c. Banks must not exercise a call unless:
i. They replace the called instrument with capital of the same or better quality and the
replacement of this capital is done at conditions which are sustainable for the income
capacity of the bank20; or
ii. The bank demonstrates that its capital position is well above the minimum capital
requirements after the call option is exercised.21
6. The investor must have no rights to accelerate the repayment of future scheduled payments
(coupon or principal), except in bankruptcy and liquidation.
7. The instrument cannot have a credit sensitive dividend feature, that is a dividend/coupon that
is reset periodically based in whole or in part on the banking organisation’s credit standing.
8. Neither the bank nor a related party over which the bank exercises control or significant
influence can have purchased the instrument, nor can the bank directly or indirectly have
funded the purchase of the instrument
9. If the instrument is not issued out of an operating entity or the holding company in the
consolidated group (eg a special purpose vehicle – “SPV”), proceeds must be immediately
available without limitation to an operating entity22 or the holding company in the
consolidated group in a form which meets or exceeds all of the other criteria for inclusion in
Tier 2 Capital

Personalmente non mi sento così sicuro nell'interpretazione di tutti questi parametri. Faccio un esempio con una domanda: una attuale Tier 1, non step-up, sia essa cumulativa o non, potrebbe essere declassata a Tier2 e quindi non essere richiamata?

grazie per il doc

secondo me non possono essere tier2 per la maturity

4. Maturity:

a. minimum original maturity of at least five years
b. recognition in regulatory capital in the remaining five years before maturity will be amortised
on a straight line basis
c. there are no step-ups or other incentives to redeem
 
grazie per il doc

secondo me non possono essere tier2 per la maturity

4. Maturity:

a. minimum original maturity of at least five years
b. recognition in regulatory capital in the remaining five years before maturity will be amortised
on a straight line basis
c. there are no step-ups or other incentives to redeem

Ciao:
però io leggo che vengono dati i criteri minimi per qualificarsi come Tier 2:
"the minimum set of criteria for an instrument to meet or exceed in order for it to be included in Tier 2 capital".
Come giudicare un perpetual senza incentivi al richiamo? Soddisfa tali requisiti minimi?
 
Chiunque ricevesse dei reports dall'ufficio studi di una grande banca a proposito delle ultime decisioni su Basilea 3 è vivamente pregato di pubblicarle.
Ho appena cominciato a leggere i documenti e ho l'impressione che non sia per noi così facile cogliere tutte le implicazioni.
Mi sto soffermando in particolare sui criteri fissati affinché una emissione possa qualificarsi come Tier 1 oppure Tier 2. Per comodità li riporto:

*Per qualificarsi come Additional Tier 1:

1. Issued and paid-in
2. Subordinated to depositors, general creditors and subordinated debt of the bank
3. Is neither secured nor covered by a guarantee of the issuer or related entity or other
arrangement that legally or economically enhances the seniority of the claim vis-à-vis bank
creditors
4. Is perpetual, ie there is no maturity date and there are no step-ups or other incentives to
redeem
5. May be callable at the initiative of the issuer only after a minimum of five years:
a. To exercise a call option a bank must receive prior supervisory approval; and
b. A bank must not do anything which creates an expectation that the call will be exercised; and
c. Banks must not exercise a call unless:
i. They replace the called instrument with capital of the same or better quality and the
replacement of this capital is done at conditions which are sustainable for the income
capacity of the bank; or
ii. The bank demonstrates that its capital position is well above the minimum capital
requirements after the call option is exercised
6. Any repayment of principal (eg through repurchase or redemption) must be with prior
supervisory approval and banks should not assume or create market expectations that
supervisory approval will be given
7. Dividend/coupon discretion:
a. the bank must have full discretion at all times to cancel distributions/payments1
b. cancellation of discretionary payments must not be an event of default
c. banks must have full access to cancelled payments to meet obligations as they fall due
d. cancellation of distributions/payments must not impose restrictions on the bank except in
relation to distributions to common stockholders.
8. Dividends/coupons must be paid out of distributable items
9. The instrument cannot have a credit sensitive dividend feature, that is a dividend/coupon that
is reset periodically based in whole or in part on the banking organisation’s credit standing.
10. The instrument cannot contribute to liabilities exceeding assets if such a balance sheet test
forms part of national insolvency law.
11. Instruments classified as liabilities for accounting purposes must have principal loss
absorption through either
(i) conversion to common shares at an objective pre-specified trigger point or
(ii) a write-down mechanism which allocates losses to the instrument at a pre-specified trigger
point.
The write-down will have the following effects:
a. Reduce the claim of the instrument in liquidation;
b. Reduce the amount re-paid when a call is exercised; and
c. Partially or fully reduce coupon/dividend payments on the instrument.
12. Neither the bank nor a related party over which the bank exercises control or significant
influence can have purchased the instrument, nor can the bank directly or indirectly have
funded the purchase of the instrument
13. The instrument cannot have any features that hinder recapitalisation, such as provisions that
require the issuer to compensate investors if a new instrument is issued at a lower price
during a specified time frame
14. If the instrument is not issued out of an operating entity or the holding company in the
consolidated group (eg a special purpose vehicle – “SPV”), proceeds must be immediately
available without limitation to an operating entity18 or the holding company in the
consolidated group in a form which meets or exceeds all of the other criteria for inclusion in
Additional Tier 1 capital

*Invece, per qualificarsi come Tier 2 Capital:

1. Issued and paid-in
2. Subordinated to depositors and general creditors of the bank
3. Is neither secured nor covered by a guarantee of the issuer or related entity or other
arrangement that legally or economically enhances the seniority of the claim vis-à-vis
depositors and general bank creditors
4. Maturity:
a. minimum original maturity of at least five years
b. recognition in regulatory capital in the remaining five years before maturity will be amortised
on a straight line basis
c. there are no step-ups or other incentives to redeem
5. May be callable at the initiative of the issuer only after a minimum of five years:
a. To exercise a call option a bank must receive prior supervisory approval;
b. A bank must not do anything that creates an expectation that the call will be exercised; and
c. Banks must not exercise a call unless:
i. They replace the called instrument with capital of the same or better quality and the
replacement of this capital is done at conditions which are sustainable for the income
capacity of the bank20; or
ii. The bank demonstrates that its capital position is well above the minimum capital
requirements after the call option is exercised.21
6. The investor must have no rights to accelerate the repayment of future scheduled payments
(coupon or principal), except in bankruptcy and liquidation.
7. The instrument cannot have a credit sensitive dividend feature, that is a dividend/coupon that
is reset periodically based in whole or in part on the banking organisation’s credit standing.
8. Neither the bank nor a related party over which the bank exercises control or significant
influence can have purchased the instrument, nor can the bank directly or indirectly have
funded the purchase of the instrument
9. If the instrument is not issued out of an operating entity or the holding company in the
consolidated group (eg a special purpose vehicle – “SPV”), proceeds must be immediately
available without limitation to an operating entity22 or the holding company in the
consolidated group in a form which meets or exceeds all of the other criteria for inclusion in
Tier 2 Capital

Personalmente non mi sento così sicuro nell'interpretazione di tutti questi parametri. Faccio un esempio con una domanda: una attuale Tier 1, non step-up, sia essa cumulativa o non, potrebbe essere declassata a Tier2 e quindi non essere richiamata?



Chissà se la stampa finanziaria ci regalerà uno o più articoli a prova di " scemo" che possa fare chiarezza? Scrivono di tutto e di quello che vogliono, poi si lamenta se vendono meno quotidiani a discapito dell'occupazione!
 
Ciao:
però io leggo che vengono dati i criteri minimi per qualificarsi come Tier 2:
"the minimum set of criteria for an instrument to meet or exceed in order for it to be included in Tier 2 capital".
Come giudicare un perpetual senza incentivi al richiamo? Soddisfa tali requisiti minimi?

Non se n'era mai parlato del declassamento degli attuali T1, ma solo di phase out.

L'osservazione di fidw è giusta: per i T2 si parla di maturity (che gli ibridi attuali non hanno) + derecognition progressiva negli ultimi 5 anni prima della maturity. Sono feature inapplicabili agli attuali T1
 
Le 2 Hybrid in spolvero sui siti tedeschi (+10%). Si vede che la notizia dell'interessamento cinese ha fatto ringalluzzire gli investitori...
 
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