ferdo
Utente Senior
Non sono mais, e non ho l'isin sotto manoGrazie mille Mais.
Puoi postare l'ISIN della UT2? Grazie ancora e buona serata.
ma il codice di IW che e' quasi identico
XS01981062 (forse manca un numero)
Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate Tutto quello che avreste sempre voluto sapere sulle obbligazioni perpetue... - Cap. 1 (2 lettori)
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ma il codice di IW che e' quasi identico
XS01981062 (forse manca un numero)
ferdo
Utente Senior
solenoide
Forumer storico
Aegon
Conferma che hanno ripagato parte degli aiuti.
AEGON and SNS REAAL pay back part of state aid - MinFin.nl
AEGON and SNS REAAL pay back part of state aid
Newsrelease | 01-12-2009 | Financial supervision
Yesterday, AEGON and SNS REAAL paid back part of the capital injections they had received from the government at the end of 2008. By doing so, the companies use the possibility to pay back part of the state aid within one year by buying back securities.
AEGON buys back securities to the amount of EUR 1 billion. It pays the issuing price of EUR 4 per security, an interest rate of 8.5% and a premium of EUR 108 million. The total yield for the government thus amounts to 19.3%.
SNS REAAL has bought back securities for the issuing price (EUR 5.25) for the amount of EUR 185 million. SNS also pays an interest rate of 8.5%. The redemption premium of SNS REAAL is zero as a result of its linking to the share price of SNS REAAL and that did not exceed the issuing price in the week prior to the repayment. Thus the yield for the government of this sum is 8.5%.
AEGON and SNS REAAL received capital injections by the government at the end of 2008 in order to meet the unforeseen and external shocks on the international financial markets. AEGON issued securities to the amount of EUR 3 billion and SNS REAAL to the amount of EUR 750 million.
Both institutions had stated earlier to wish to use the possibility to repay early within a year and have issued shares earlier in order to be able to pay this redemption.
Conferma che hanno ripagato parte degli aiuti.
AEGON and SNS REAAL pay back part of state aid - MinFin.nl
AEGON and SNS REAAL pay back part of state aid
Newsrelease | 01-12-2009 | Financial supervision
Yesterday, AEGON and SNS REAAL paid back part of the capital injections they had received from the government at the end of 2008. By doing so, the companies use the possibility to pay back part of the state aid within one year by buying back securities.
AEGON buys back securities to the amount of EUR 1 billion. It pays the issuing price of EUR 4 per security, an interest rate of 8.5% and a premium of EUR 108 million. The total yield for the government thus amounts to 19.3%.
SNS REAAL has bought back securities for the issuing price (EUR 5.25) for the amount of EUR 185 million. SNS also pays an interest rate of 8.5%. The redemption premium of SNS REAAL is zero as a result of its linking to the share price of SNS REAAL and that did not exceed the issuing price in the week prior to the repayment. Thus the yield for the government of this sum is 8.5%.
AEGON and SNS REAAL received capital injections by the government at the end of 2008 in order to meet the unforeseen and external shocks on the international financial markets. AEGON issued securities to the amount of EUR 3 billion and SNS REAAL to the amount of EUR 750 million.
Both institutions had stated earlier to wish to use the possibility to repay early within a year and have issued shares earlier in order to be able to pay this redemption.
Mais78
BAWAG fan club
grazie mille mais.
Puoi postare l'isin della ut2? Grazie ancora e buona serata.
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DinoP
life is good
solenoide
Forumer storico
Ho notato che in luglio e' stato emesso un titolo Tier 1
The Dutch government on 1 July 2009 announced its
decision to grant ABN AMRO Bank N.V. a EUR 800
million mandatory convertible loan which will be
converted into shares on completion of required
divestitures of certain of ABN AMRO’s businesses. The
loan will bear 10 percent interest and will count
towards ABN AMRO’s core tier 1 capital.
Dovremmo scrivere all' IR per capire se i pagamenti sui due titoli sono in qualche modo legati (il "nostro" perpetual ha anche il dividend stopper).
I 10 billions emessi da ING erano subordinati rispetto ai nostri perpetual ma su questo non ho trovato nessuna notizia a parte questo sec filing
Altrimenti in futuro sarebbe sempre in regime di optional deferral perche' mi sembra che altre parity securities non ce ne siano, di dividendo sulle azioni non piu' quotate (ma che immagino esistano e siano in mano allo stato olandese) non si parla....
sia chiaro che sono tutte supposizioni ABN AMRO - Report of Foreign Issuer
ABN AMRO Group provides an update on capital actions
Dutch State capital actions
With regards to the capital actions, the Minister asked the Lower House to approve a capital relief instrument (‘CRI’) and a mandatory convertible note (‘MCN’) with a positive capital impact of in total EUR 2.5 billion. This requirement is in preparation of the separation of the Dutch State acquired businesses of ABN AMRO Group as provided for in the shareholders’ agreement with The Royal Bank of Scotland Group plc (“RBS”) and Banco Santander S.A. (“Santander”).
Under the CRI, releasing EUR 1.7 billion of Tier 1 capital based on a ratio of 9%, the Dutch State will assume the credit risk in a specific, high-quality Dutch mortgage portfolio, reducing the bank’s risk-weighted assets by approximately EUR 19 billion. The MCN of EUR 0.8 billion is a convertible instrument, with a coupon of 10%, that will be automatically converted into equity share capital upon legal separation of the Dutch State acquired businesses in the new bank and will continue to qualify as Tier 1 capital.
Zorba
Bos 4 Mod
Ho notato che in luglio e' stato emesso un titolo Tier 1
The Dutch government on 1 July 2009 announced its
decision to grant ABN AMRO Bank N.V. a EUR 800
million mandatory convertible loan which will be
converted into shares on completion of required
divestitures of certain of ABN AMRO’s businesses. The
loan will bear 10 percent interest and will count
towards ABN AMRO’s core tier 1 capital.
Dovremmo scrivere all' IR per capire se i pagamenti sui due titoli sono in qualche modo legati (il "nostro" perpetual ha anche il dividend stopper).
I 10 billions emessi da ING erano subordinati rispetto ai nostri perpetual ma su questo non ho trovato nessuna notizia a parte questo sec filing
Altrimenti in futuro sarebbe sempre in regime di optional deferral perche' mi sembra che altre parity securities non ce ne siano, di dividendo sulle azioni non piu' quotate (ma che immagino esistano e siano in mano allo stato olandese) non si parla....
ABN AMRO - Report of Foreign Issuer
ABN AMRO Group provides an update on capital actions
Dutch State capital actions
With regards to the capital actions, the Minister asked the Lower House to approve a capital relief instrument (‘CRI’) and a mandatory convertible note (‘MCN’) with a positive capital impact of in total EUR 2.5 billion. This requirement is in preparation of the separation of the Dutch State acquired businesses of ABN AMRO Group as provided for in the shareholders’ agreement with The Royal Bank of Scotland Group plc (“RBS”) and Banco Santander S.A. (“Santander”).
Under the CRI, releasing EUR 1.7 billion of Tier 1 capital based on a ratio of 9%, the Dutch State will assume the credit risk in a specific, high-quality Dutch mortgage portfolio, reducing the bank’s risk-weighted assets by approximately EUR 19 billion. The MCN of EUR 0.8 billion is a convertible instrument, with a coupon of 10%, that will be automatically converted into equity share capital upon legal separation of the Dutch State acquired businesses in the new bank and will continue to qualify as Tier 1 capital.
ho scritto 2 volte all'IR di Abn, ma non mi ha ancora risposto.
Sono dei cu.li di piombo. ormai hanno già ritmi da dipendenti statali
maxinblack
Forumer storico
I am readings your forums from a long time, I mean BB and WC and i know the story about the UT2 and HT1, and I purchase the latter.
Following the discussions and opinions of the many german forumers that write in a very competent and informed way.
I have transferred this idea here and is possible somebody has them in the portfolio.
Is very difficult for us to have a complete idea of complicate securities like the perpetuals, especially emitted from different countries, and in this particular period of crisis every european government has moved differently.
I believe in extreme diversification and i must look abroad for other choices
So your contribution to "translate" for us what happen in Germany is very interesting.
I have many question for you
ferdo
Utente Senior
For completion sake, I have a little bit of UT2, taking information from Bondboard. I believe UT2 is very interesting and I will increase the amount as far as I have more cash.I am readings your forums from a long time, I mean BB and WC and i know the story about the UT2 and HT1, and I purchase the latter.
Following the discussions and opinions of the many german forumers that write in a very competent and informed way.
I have transferred this idea here and is possible somebody has them in the portfolio.
Is very difficult for us to have a complete idea of complicate securities like the perpetuals, especially emitted from different countries, and in this particular period of crisis every european government has moved differently.
I believe in extreme diversification and i must look abroad for other choices
So your contribution to "translate" for us what happen in Germany is very interesting.
I have many question for you
Zorba
Bos 4 Mod
Ciao Ferdo, Mi dici per favore l'ISIN della UT2? Grazie mille.
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