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Un po di tempo fa chiesi se qualcuno trattava questo piccolo bond subordinato made in Italy emesso dalla Mossi & Ghisolfi, azienda italiana. Il prezzo era mediamente 15 centesimi. Ora c'e' un offerta a 45....Mi stupisco che vecchie volpi come Bosmeld non l'abbiano mai preso in considerazione...

M&G to Repurchase Undated Bonds With Skipped Coupons - Bloomberg


M&G to Repurchase Undated Bonds With Skipped Coupons

By John Glover - Nov 25, 2010 2:58 PM GMT

Thu Nov 25 14:58:46 GMT 2010
Mossi & Ghisolfi International SA, an Italian chemicals company that skipped coupons on perpetual bonds issued before the credit crunch, now wants to repurchase the debt at a 55 percent discount.
M&G will pay 45 cents on the euro for its 200 million euros ($266 million) of subordinated 7.5 percent notes, which were quoted at about 12 cents before the Nov. 22 buyback started, according to the offer document. The company is still paying a “significant premium” to the market price, said Lorenzo Montagna, M&G’s director of corporate strategy in Milan.
M&G issued the unrated bonds in March 2007 with terms that allow the company to suspend coupon payments if it doesn’t pay a dividend to shareholders. The chemicals manufacturer invoked the non-payment clause in each of the last two years as the financial crisis spurred the worst recession in almost a century, after making one payment. That meant at least 30 million euros of coupon payments have accrued, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
“It’s great that they’re alive,” said Adrian Frost, a fund manager at Artemis Unit Trust Managers Ltd. in London, which holds some of the bonds among the $231 billion of assets managed by its parent Affiliated Managers Group Inc. in Prides Crossing, Massachusetts. “But now we’re going to have to see whether, and how far, the patient can walk.”
The buyback “meets investors’ requests to supply greater liquidity to these securities,” said Montagna. He declined to comment on the non-payment of coupons, the profitability of the company and on the possibility of resuming the payments, and said that M&G isn’t up for sale.
Capital Gain
The company is considering making acquisitions, Marco Ghisolfi, chief executive officer of its polymers unit, said at a conference in Milan this week. Buying other companies is the only way to expand, he said.
Successful acquisitions will increase the value of the shareholders’ equity in the company, meaning a higher price if the company is sold, according to Jonathan Moore, an analyst at Evolution Securities Ltd. in London. It also signals that resuming dividend payments, which would force M&G to start paying coupons, isn’t a priority for shareholders, he said.
M&G already holds 45.5 million euros of the issue, according to the offer document. All but 2 million euros of these were bought at 45 percent of face value from an investor that’s not identified, the document shows.
Patrick Burton, a London-based spokesman for JPMorgan Chase & Co., which is managing the buyback, declined to comment.
If all the outstanding notes were tendered back to M&G, the issuer would have a capital gain of about 115 million euros, including unpaid interest, according to Bloomberg calculations. The original bond issue, through M&G Finance Luxembourg SA, was managed by Deutsche Bank AG, Bloomberg data show.
M&G is the world’s largest producer of polyethylene terephthalate for packaging and employs more than 3,000 staff, according to its website.
The tender expires Dec. 3, the offer document shows.
To contact the reporter on this story: John Glover in London at [email protected]
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Paul Armstrong at [email protected]


sei stato un bel cane da tartufi:up::up::up:

peccato non averti seguito. questa emissione me l'ero totalmente scordata:wall::wall::wall:
 
Posto articolo di Borsa e Finanza (di sab 4 dic): niente di nuovo per il thread.
 

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Le Dong alla fine non si potevano dare dentro. La mia banca non ha mai ricevuto l'offerta di acquisto (vietata in Italia). Mi ricordo che tu ne avevi. Alla fine poi la Dong ha ritirato il nuovo subordinato che voleva emettere...

ciao Cat
bhè se la tua banca non riceve nulla puoi sempre informarla tu, se fa orecchi da mercante basta dire che non hai tanto tempo da perdere e se preferiscono possono parlare col tuo avvocato
IW mi aveva risposto che non potevo aderire, poi avevo raccolto dei documenti postati da altri forumer, da quanto capito si sarebbe potuto forzare la mano per aderire in base ad ultimi decreti/sentenze
ma queste cosa richiedono tempo e visto che poi non mi interessava più di tanto vista la miserrima esposizione mi sono dedicato ad altro...
spero che per te non sia stato penalizzante
ciao
carlo
 
Un po di tempo fa chiesi se qualcuno trattava questo piccolo bond subordinato made in Italy emesso dalla Mossi & Ghisolfi, azienda italiana. Il prezzo era mediamente 15 centesimi. Ora c'e' un offerta a 45....Mi stupisco che vecchie volpi come Bosmeld non l'abbiano mai preso in considerazione...

M&G to Repurchase Undated Bonds With Skipped Coupons - Bloomberg


M&G to Repurchase Undated Bonds With Skipped Coupons

By John Glover - Nov 25, 2010 2:58 PM GMT

Thu Nov 25 14:58:46 GMT 2010
Mossi & Ghisolfi International SA, an Italian chemicals company that skipped coupons on perpetual bonds issued before the credit crunch, now wants to repurchase the debt at a 55 percent discount.
M&G will pay 45 cents on the euro for its 200 million euros ($266 million) of subordinated 7.5 percent notes, which were quoted at about 12 cents before the Nov. 22 buyback started, according to the offer document. The company is still paying a “significant premium” to the market price, said Lorenzo Montagna, M&G’s director of corporate strategy in Milan.
M&G issued the unrated bonds in March 2007 with terms that allow the company to suspend coupon payments if it doesn’t pay a dividend to shareholders. The chemicals manufacturer invoked the non-payment clause in each of the last two years as the financial crisis spurred the worst recession in almost a century, after making one payment. That meant at least 30 million euros of coupon payments have accrued, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
“It’s great that they’re alive,” said Adrian Frost, a fund manager at Artemis Unit Trust Managers Ltd. in London, which holds some of the bonds among the $231 billion of assets managed by its parent Affiliated Managers Group Inc. in Prides Crossing, Massachusetts. “But now we’re going to have to see whether, and how far, the patient can walk.”
The buyback “meets investors’ requests to supply greater liquidity to these securities,” said Montagna. He declined to comment on the non-payment of coupons, the profitability of the company and on the possibility of resuming the payments, and said that M&G isn’t up for sale.
Capital Gain
The company is considering making acquisitions, Marco Ghisolfi, chief executive officer of its polymers unit, said at a conference in Milan this week. Buying other companies is the only way to expand, he said.
Successful acquisitions will increase the value of the shareholders’ equity in the company, meaning a higher price if the company is sold, according to Jonathan Moore, an analyst at Evolution Securities Ltd. in London. It also signals that resuming dividend payments, which would force M&G to start paying coupons, isn’t a priority for shareholders, he said.
M&G already holds 45.5 million euros of the issue, according to the offer document. All but 2 million euros of these were bought at 45 percent of face value from an investor that’s not identified, the document shows.
Patrick Burton, a London-based spokesman for JPMorgan Chase & Co., which is managing the buyback, declined to comment.
If all the outstanding notes were tendered back to M&G, the issuer would have a capital gain of about 115 million euros, including unpaid interest, according to Bloomberg calculations. The original bond issue, through M&G Finance Luxembourg SA, was managed by Deutsche Bank AG, Bloomberg data show.
M&G is the world’s largest producer of polyethylene terephthalate for packaging and employs more than 3,000 staff, according to its website.
The tender expires Dec. 3, the offer document shows.
To contact the reporter on this story: John Glover in London at [email protected]
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Paul Armstrong at [email protected]


sei stato un bel cane da tartufi:up::up::up:

peccato non averti seguito. questa emissione me l'ero totalmente scordata:wall::wall::wall:
 
mais le bpce 558 le hai prese ???
Oggi mi han dato 99,75, mannaggia...:wall:
sotto i 97 sarei entrato di brutto :rolleyes:

nik sono entrato con un primo chip qualche settimana fa a 99.375 con l'idea di prenderne altri due chip. Volevo incrementare quando le ho viste a 94/95 ma non ho fatto in tempo :(. oggi ho avuto tempo per operare ma visti i prezzi ho preferito passare e prendere più credit mutuelle, tanto a differenza delle IRS (spero) le BPCE da li non fuggono
 
sei stato un bel cane da tartufi:up::up::up:

peccato non averti seguito. questa emissione me l'ero totalmente scordata:wall::wall::wall:

Questi di M&G sono autentici pirati della finanza anche se arrivano dal basso Piemonte. Hanno emesso un bond e sono scappati con la cassa fino a quando si sono forse ricordati che hanno dei precisi doveri nei confronti degli investitori. Per anni balack-out totale nella comunicazione. Ed ora un prospetto semi-clandestino che pochissimi hanno potuto visionare...

Il tartufo lo posso portare da Delfino e ci possiamo far fare un risotto una sera con un buon vino rosso del Piemonte.
 
ciao Cat
bhè se la tua banca non riceve nulla puoi sempre informarla tu, se fa orecchi da mercante basta dire che non hai tanto tempo da perdere e se preferiscono possono parlare col tuo avvocato
IW mi aveva risposto che non potevo aderire, poi avevo raccolto dei documenti postati da altri forumer, da quanto capito si sarebbe potuto forzare la mano per aderire in base ad ultimi decreti/sentenze
ma queste cosa richiedono tempo e visto che poi non mi interessava più di tanto vista la miserrima esposizione mi sono dedicato ad altro...
spero che per te non sia stato penalizzante
ciao
carlo

Grazie Samantaao

Mi potresti citare questi decreti. Da un paio di anni mi arrivano queste offerte su titoli che ho in portafoglio e la banca mi dice che non c'e' nulla da fare... in un caso ho trasferito il titolo in un altro paese per poter aderire

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Questi di M&G sono autentici pirati della finanza anche se arrivano dal basso Piemonte. Hanno emesso un bond e sono scappati con la cassa fino a quando si sono forse ricordati che hanno dei precisi doveri nei confronti degli investitori. Per anni balack-out totale nella comunicazione. Ed ora un prospetto semi-clandestino che pochissimi hanno potuto visionare...

Il tartufo lo posso portare da Delfino e ci possiamo far fare un risotto una sera con un buon vino rosso del Piemonte.


hai il pelo sullo stomaco :lol: ad investire al buio, non hanno neanche una sezione Investor Relations. Le news sul sito risalgono al 2008 :eek:. insomma, molto all italiana. Alla fine glie le hai date?
 
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