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amorgos34

CHIAGNI & FOTTI SRL
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Ciao Max,

innanzitutto ancora grazie,

domani pomeriggio provo a comprarla con Iw e , se non me la fanno acquistare, provo con un paio di banchette fisiche

Se qualcuno ha opinioni sull'eventuale tassazione sono ben gradite.


Ciao.


Chiamato IW (richiamato in 5 minuti :up:): l'ottimo Terzano mi ha detto che è completamente illiquida.
La Banchetta fisica che ho "contattato" mi ha detto che prima me lo censiscono, poi mi sanno dire.

Martedì settimana prossima saprò dirvi di più.

:ciao:
 

pier_pat

Mountaineering
Questa non mi piace, da ottobre paga E3m +470 (cash yield ~8%), io ho preso un cip di DE0008600966 cedola fissa 7.125% a 13.5/25, rende 13% di sola cedola. Paga finche' ci sono riserve distribuibili. No loss absorption. Bawag 2009 dovrebbe aver chiuso in utile di una cinquantina di m.

PS Ho spedito prezzi a reef ma sembra ci siano problemi con le formule

ciao

Probabilmente meglio come emittente e senza loss abs...

Ciao, guarda è solo un tentativo (2k)...oltretutto immagino che non me la faranno prendere.:)


Se dovessi entrare veramente aspetterei, infatti , come ben sai , non ritengo questo il miglior momento per entrare.

Ciao.

Anche per me è meglio come emittente e come dice Max non ha la loss abs.

Ciao a tutti,
sull'emittente non discuto (mai approfondito aareal), ma da ex possessore della 966, a memoria mi sembrava di ricordare che anche lei non avesse loss absorption e coupon pusher forte... non sono andato a rileggermi il prospetto ma ho ritrovato un vecchio post di mais, e mi fido ;).

Resta inteso che anche io non entrerei seriamente adesso.

Ciao e buona giornata :)

PS: amorgos, facci poi sapere se con IW se riuscito a prenderla o meno...
PPS: grazie;), non avevo visto il post...
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Un articolo sulle recenti emissioni di perpetual industriali (focalizza su quelle delle utilities Scottish & Southern Energy, Suez Environnement, RWE)

Record hybrid-bond issuance set to slow Credit Markets - MarketWatch

Hybrid-bond sales hit record in September

But the market’s appetite seems to be sated, strategists say

LONDON (MarketWatch) — European hybrid-bond issuance has hit an all-time monthly high in September, but there are signs the market may be reaching a saturation point.

German utility RWE AG raised $2.22 billion in its hybrid-bond sale on Monday, taking the total amount raised this month by European companies from hybrid-bond sales to nearly $5 billion, according to Dealogic.

That figure is the highest on record, and it marks only the fourth month with more than $1 billion in deal activity since September 2006. Hybrid bonds combine elements of both debt and equity, allowing them to be treated partly as equity by credit-rating agencies.
But there is market talk of a pause in new issues, with widening spreads suggesting investors have had enough for now.
“The hybrid market was just undergoing a rebirth, but it seems that it’s come to a stop again,” said Herve Boiral, head of credit at Amundi in Paris. “Half a dozen corporations were planning hybrid issues, but now we won’t have another launch for two or three weeks,” he added.

The trades around RWE’s hybrid bonds tell the tale. At launch the bonds, with a yield of just under 5%, were trading at 2.65% over swaps, but that has since widened to 2.95%, an increase of 30 basis points, as demand has dropped and the price of the bonds has fallen.

Boiral said that in a healthy market a hybrid bond’s spreads contract by 10 or 20 basis points in the days following an issue.
“It seems that the appetite in Europe has, at the moment, reached some sort of limit,” said an official at BlackRock Inc. in London who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly on the matter. “It needs some time to digest these recent deals.”
The official said he knew of several companies that had been holding road shows for hybrid-bond issues, but which had decided to postpone launches following the RWE sale. He declined to name the companies.

Record month

Despite the looming slowdown, the volume and pace of European corporate hybrid-bond issuance is noteworthy because of the scale of the market’s rebound.

There were only four deals between December 2007 and February 2010, with a total value of $1.67 billion, according to Dealogic. This month so far has seen three deals with a total value of just under $5 billion.

September’s deals suggest that Europe's credit markets have recovered considerably from the crisis. Hybrid bonds are the most subordinated debt in a corporate structure, and the fact that investors were willing to buy the bonds shows some measure of risk tolerance has returned.

“A year ago, you couldn’t even think of issuing hybrid bonds,” said Boiral.
Before the RWE deal, two other European companies had issued hybrid bonds this month: on Sept. 8, Scottish and Southern Energy PLC raised roughly $1.79 billion, and French water and waste utility Suez Environnement SA raised about $946 million on Sept. 14, according to Dealogic.

David Stanley, London-based co-manager of the T. Rowe Price Strategic Income Fund, said the recent hybrid-bond issues have perpetual maturities but carry two call dates, at five-year intervals.

If the securities are not called after five years, then the coupons get reset at the prevailing five-year swap plus the issue spread. At the second call date five years later, if not called, they then revert to a floating-rate instrument at the 3-month Euribor rate, plus the initial issue spread and an additional 100 basis points.

The general market expectation is that all these hybrid securities will be called at their first call date, though this is not a commitment by the issuer.

The attraction of hybrid bonds for corporations is simple. Because of the possibility to defer coupon payments, they can obtain part equity treatment from the ratings agencies. Issuance of hybrid bonds can strengthen companies’ balance sheets and support their senior debt ratings.

“You can think of them as relatively cheap equity funding for a company,” Stanley said.
For some investors, the bonds are enticing because they offer better yields than other investment-grade bonds in today’s markets, but are typically rated only two notches below normal bonds issued by a company.

“Investors are searching for yield, so the companies felt it was the right time for some new launches,” Boiral said.
Not every bond buyer is impressed with the securities.

“They seem to me to carry a lot of equity risk without the upside of equities,” Stanley said. “They are bull-market-type instruments and one wonders what their secondary market will be like in a spread-widening environment -- they’re unusual, idiosyncratic and [as the saturation post-RWE shows], I think there may be a limitation to the amount of natural buyers for this type of bonds.”
Sam Mamudi is a reporter for MarketWatch, based in New York
 

solenoide

Forumer storico
De0001397081 lt2 dbp

Ciao,
sapete qualcosa di questa lt2 DE0001397081? ha call il 4 novembre e sta sotto 94 , nessuno crede che la richiameranno ? euribor 3m + 0,8 dopo la call
 

stordits

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NIBC BANK
per esposizione in $, ribadisco, molto interessante (ISIN XS0215294512)
In questi gg ho scritto all investor relator di NIBC, per avere alcune informazioni in piu', vi posto la risposta anche se non dice nulla di nuovo. Olanda tutta robbbba buona a 48 offer e dollaro a 1.335

Dear Mr XXXX,

Apologies for my late reply.

In March of this year the coupon on this Tier 1 security was paid in accordance with the final terms of the security. Of course, we have the intention to pay the coupon next year as well and indeed for the years following. As you are probably aware, this Tier 1 security, as is common for this type of security, has a coupon deferral mechanism. This means that in case NIBC Bank does not have distributable profits, NIBC Bank has the option to defer the coupon payment for that year. On the other hand, as long as NIBC Bank has distributable profits and/or pays a dividend, coupon payment on this Tier 1 security is mandatory.
 

innocentiproject

Forumer attivo
NIBC BANK
per esposizione in $, ribadisco, molto interessante (ISIN XS0215294512)
In questi gg ho scritto all investor relator di NIBC, per avere alcune informazioni in piu', vi posto la risposta anche se non dice nulla di nuovo. Olanda tutta robbbba buona a 48 offer e dollaro a 1.335

Dear Mr XXXX,

Apologies for my late reply.

In March of this year the coupon on this Tier 1 security was paid in accordance with the final terms of the security. Of course, we have the intention to pay the coupon next year as well and indeed for the years following. As you are probably aware, this Tier 1 security, as is common for this type of security, has a coupon deferral mechanism. This means that in case NIBC Bank does not have distributable profits, NIBC Bank has the option to defer the coupon payment for that year. On the other hand, as long as NIBC Bank has distributable profits and/or pays a dividend, coupon payment on this Tier 1 security is mandatory.


ciao,
mi diresti le caratteristiche?
grazie
 
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